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6/21/2024 1:35:37 AM
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easynow has a good video on how its affecting those with disabilities as well.
It seems to be quite easy for a lot of people to be “edgy” or just talk down to people instead of acknowledging that it could be a problem.
Anxiety, autism, mute, deaf, ptsd, panic attacks.
People just want to enjoy the game, and make cool builds, that would otherwise be impossible.
I dont think people care if its challenging to get, but things like disabilities are just a major barrier.
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Not a real problem.
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Easynow's video is actually good and is the only content creator that talks about the concerns for players with disabilities. No other content creators talks about the issue because they probably work for bungie on the low low. They're the ones who are invited to test new DLCs and continue to screw up the game for solo players. Narcissism complex is a real thing.
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"That one content creator I agree with? They're cool. The rest are part of a massive conspiracy and have been bought and paid for. They're not cool"
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Editado por Sen: 6/21/2024 5:33:39 PMIt's not Bungies job to fix those problems and never has been. Bungie is not your therapist. Not only are people using this as a virtue signaling campaign and being disingenuous to real problems, they are also using those things to get what they want. It's a double A-hole move. If you have certain problems such as anxiety, it your job to seek help and be open about it. Whether it's through friends and family, an actual therapist or what have you. Saying that Bungie shouldn't cater to them is not making light of those problems of disabilities at all. You know that. People that are saying this don't know that this isn't the time nor the place go insano style on the problem of someone's personal inner demons. Stop making it seem like people don't care unless they genuinely show that they don't care. And even then, not speaking on it and focusing on them self and their lives doesn't make them evil either. You're making the line between being a genuine jerk and just being a normal human being WAY TOO WIDE.
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Actually, yes, it IS their job! I'm familiar with the telecom and A/V industries, and with many regulations such as accessibility mandates. I assume the FCC also oversees the gaming industry and likely has the same or similar mandates. Compliance with accessibility mandates is not optional. Bro, I'm pretty politically objectivist too, but inclusivity ought not be political.
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Editado por Sen: 6/23/2024 11:08:45 AMThe FCC isn't going to enforce rules on Bungie to the point where anxiety is going to change what content is and isn't in the game. If that were the case, MMOs and things with those elements wouldn't exist. If the FCC comes in and forces Bungie's hand to take away the mission and make previous group activities into solo experiences, let me know. I will gladly stand corrected.
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Editado por SnookCharmer: 6/23/2024 12:40:52 PMThey very well can, but rarely do because most companies willingly comply with accessibility mandates before the deadlines. Take a look around the settings menus sometime and you'll notice several options that exist exclusively as a result of accessibility mandates, things like closed captioning, higher contrast options, larger text, etc. As for disorders that've only recently begun to be better understood, e.g., anxiety, PTSD, autism, etc., I'm not aware of any laws or FCC mandates, but they're surely on the horizon. Regardless, Bungie is not a non-profit company; their goal should be to maximize profits by providing content that a maximum number of people find enjoyable and engage with daily, or target a niche that's underserved by competing products and/or for which the player pool will willingly pay a premium, etc. I have worked in software development and product management for multiple companies that very much fear the regulators, even if they've rarely had to deal with them (because they only get fined or have to interface directly with regulators when they fail to comply with a mandate, which of course they aggressively endeavor to avoid.) But my real point is that inclusivity is good business, good ethically, and good for you... if a greater number of people are capable of playing, there will be a larger pool of potential fireteam matches for all players, thus reducing the likelihood of matching widely disparate skill levels for a given activit. Inclusivity is not always synonymous with self-entitled snowflakes always demanding equitable outcomes.
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Editado por Sen: 6/23/2024 3:27:26 PMIt's not but I think this situation with this mission is in terms of self entitlement. There IS a line between inclusivity on Bungie's part and self entitlement on the players part. And I believe that line has been crossed. I see this as virtue signaling and that the FCC won't bother with this because a small loud minority in the community is having problems. We have text chat, in game LFG with tags of what we want, all we need now is a ping system and a comm wheel. If they can, they need to apply this logic to all MMO type games. But they won't because it's a non issue. They're not going to tell Bungie to dismantle what makes Destiny, well, Destiny. Just like the FCC isn't going to tell From Software to make their games easier because someone has stress over not being able to beat a boss. This all stems from people not understanding the type of game that they're playing and then blaming Bungie because THEY can't do the bare minimum of what makes Destiny a multiplayer game. When making a game, developers set the genre and that genre should be encouraged. If people want to be included, Bungie will add more features for more communication and to allow MORE players to DO the mission. Not dismantle what is already there in the formula. That's quite literally what they did with in game LFG. We already have necessary means and tools to do all that stuff in game. Text chat, in game LFG etc The stuff in the settings is irrelevant as we're talking about content even existing in the game. If the FCC really hated the concept of gaming companies dictating what said companies expect out of their players, then gaming as a whole would be miserable. What people don't know, is that playing with someone to get loot like this is the bare minimum. And even IF the FCC comes in I believe they would make Bungie make changes to allow players to do the mission. Not dismantle the mission and the point it stands on. They would MAKE ADJUSTMENTS to allow others into the mission with another person. That's inclusivity. Not turning people away so they DON'T do the mission.
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Hey, its not their job or their responsibility but it is their choice, one that they have made clear in the past that they wanted to make, saying that their aim is always inclusivity and accessibility. A lot of what i listed was pulled from the video i referenced, and the comments from it. I never said anything about them providing therapy or anything like that. There have probably been loads of helpful people through all of this, i saw that someone on reddit who was a mute, managed to get someone to talk for them through screenshare. Im not trying to minimise the line between being a jerk and not. But its not like you cant see theres a few people that are just putting others down, putting 100s of comments sometimes, that video i referenced also has heaps of removed comments from people calling him slurs. I also didnt put any request or anything in what i said. I just said that people want to enjoy the game. As someone that experiences panic attacks quite often (especially when it comes to communication) and probably wouldnt be able to do this. I personally hope they add in another way. But theres a chance that they could add in a quicker comms wheel or something like that, that might fix some things for some people, or theres a chance they do nothing. I figured i might mention this just in case though, in the hopes that some people might better understand a different point of view.
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[quote]Hey, its not their job or their responsibility but it is their choice, one that they have made clear in the past that they wanted to make, saying that their aim is always inclusivity and accessibility. A lot of what i listed was pulled from the video i referenced, and the comments from it. I never said anything about them providing therapy or anything like that. There have probably been loads of helpful people through all of this, i saw that someone on reddit who was a mute, managed to get someone to talk for them through screenshare. Im not trying to minimise the line between being a jerk and not. But its not like you cant see theres a few people that are just putting others down, putting 100s of comments sometimes, that video i referenced also has heaps of removed comments from people calling him slurs. I also didnt put any request or anything in what i said. I just said that people want to enjoy the game. As someone that experiences panic attacks quite often (especially when it comes to communication) and probably wouldnt be able to do this. I personally hope they add in another way. But theres a chance that they could add in a quicker comms wheel or something like that, that might fix some things for some people, or theres a chance they do nothing. I figured i might mention this just in case though, in the hopes that some people might better understand a different point of view.[/quote] Thank you for taking the time to respond respectfully. I appreciate that. That being said, I agree that Bungie should have more implementations of communication into the game if they want people to truly be involved. Such as the wheel you suggested or a ping system. This is a good way to meet in the middle of both parties. They have always had intentions of having people play with each other. Which is good. But certain things and changes could definitely be made to allow this. In game LFG was a step on the right direction but lacks the little changes that can be made to ensure that people are successful in their journey to their goals. The idea of having people play together in and of itself shows what Bungie wants and they can still make improvements to support that. So yes. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thank you for opening my eyes to a possibility I have not considered.
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Editado por Ruuod: 6/21/2024 9:24:37 AMmute deaf: just need a keyboard and know how to spell 'witness', 'stop', some other words, the numbers 1-9 and know how to read a clock. most d2 players will just do the bare minimum of social interaction in this quest and there are people making posts offering help so they are understanding and helpful. if you have so much anxiety that you just wanna play solo what else can you play in the game besides campaign? even vanguard ops is multiplayer. so then there is the question why buy a multiplayer game in the first place?
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As someone who has dealt with social anxiety, and is still dealing with autism, this shouldn't be anything that those would stop you from doing. Back when my anxiety was at it's worst I would lfg for dungeons, and communicate almost entirely through text. It's not particularly hard to do, and I imagine that it would help a LOT of people to get through it. And if [i]autism[/i] is stopping someone from doing this, I don't know how bad the autism would have to be, but like, that would be at the point where I assume someone would have to be taking meds that are already making things easier on them to some degree. Like, I'm not looking to talk down to people with mental health problems or disabilities, because it does suck, but the thing that this discourse misses in regards to that line of thinking is firstly, there are still workarounds that could be used, and secondly, there's absolutely no way that all the people complaining that they can't do this solo are seriously debilitated in a way that would stop them from doing this. There are simply too many people making a fuss about this, and if they're capable of socializing to this much of a degree through text, then they should at least be capable of trying to use that in a setting where they aren't tearing other people down.
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Hey, the video i referenced was made by someone with autism, who talks about their experiences. There are also a bunch of comments from autistic people on there with a similar experience to him, and theres a few with a similar experience to you. Not all experiences are the same. I personally have really bad panic attacks, and am fine with non communication activities, but even something like this message has taken me hours. I get this sharp pain in my chest that will just pulse. So while it may have been doable for you its not always the same.
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So here's the greater issue that I take with this discourse. Overall, you are being very reasonable and compassionate in the way you are discussing this. That has not been what i have seen from the majority of this. What it looks like to me, is that there are a lot of idiots on the internet trying to use people with disabilities and mental disorders as means to win an argument. Thats infuriating to me. Because I don't like feeling like a prop being used to win an argument that I had very little say in. From how you have been using your rhetoric I don't think thats what you've been doing, but I am seeing it A LOT. Especially in these forums.
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[quote]As someone who has dealt with social anxiety, and is still dealing with autism, this shouldn't be anything that those would stop you from doing. Back when my anxiety was at it's worst I would lfg for dungeons, and communicate almost entirely through text. It's not particularly hard to do, and I imagine that it would help a LOT of people to get through it. And if [i]autism[/i] is stopping someone from doing this, I don't know how bad the autism would have to be, but like, that would be at the point where I assume someone would have to be taking meds that are already making things easier on them to some degree. Like, I'm not looking to talk down to people with mental health problems or disabilities, because it does suck, but the thing that this discourse misses in regards to that line of thinking is firstly, there are still workarounds that could be used, and secondly, there's absolutely no way that all the people complaining that they can't do this solo are seriously debilitated in a way that would stop them from doing this. There are simply too many people making a fuss about this, and if they're capable of socializing to this much of a degree through text, then they should at least be capable of trying to use that in a setting where they aren't tearing other people down.[/quote] Bro absolutely hit the nail on the head. The entire thing can be done through text and just using your eyes. All these people out here writing paragraphs about how they can’t do it, not realizing that they just need to write one word responses in game chat.
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Not everyone has English as first language. I'm Swedish, have dyspraxia, have sever pain 24/7, I'm old, very shy, never have written a single word in ANY chat, learned English by listen to music and watch movies, etc... I love to play Video games, been gaming since Shadowgate 1987, Destiny is my first Online game, never dared to LFG. I have never accept a random friend request. Not that I didn't want to but they don't have a clue about what they don't get if I did, it's not a win-win situation. Hoping for help, - get's a disaster. Playing games let me "forget" about my pain issues and writing novels like this one it's definitely NOT what I want to do gaming. Like; - Read this first before You accept playing with me... A small reminder I need to to in every, but Solo playing, situations... Keeps me in contact with my IRL when gaming... To many of us it's just not down to one word...
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[quote]Not everyone has English as first language. I'm Swedish, have dyspraxia, have sever pain 24/7, I'm old, very shy, never have written a single word in ANY chat, learned English by listen to music and watch movies, etc... I love to play Video games, been gaming since Shadowgate 1987, Destiny is my first Online game, never dared to LFG. I have never accept a random friend request. Not that I didn't want to but they don't have a clue about what they don't get if I did, it's not a win-win situation. Hoping for help, - get's a disaster. Playing games let me "forget" about my pain issues and writing novels like this one it's definitely NOT what I want to do gaming. Like; - Read this first before You accept playing with me... A small reminder I need to to in every, but Solo playing, situations... Keeps me in contact with my IRL when gaming... To many of us it's just not down to one word...[/quote] All this tells me is that you haven’t watched a guide or video of the activity so you don’t understand how simple the communication is. The only thing you need to type are the one word call outs for Vow of the Disciple (have a picture of them pulled up on your phone for reference), four numbers 1-9, and four numbers 1-12. Each communication is separate per encounter and each encounter has an individual 15 minute timer. Just be a courteous teammate and do your research before you complain. It’s not hard.
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So many replies like this. No clue, no self-reflection, no awareness. Just an army of chuds saying how it’s so easy for them. Do you want a trophy or something? Type less.
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[quote]So many replies like this. No clue, no self-reflection, no awareness. Just an army of chuds saying how it’s so easy for them. Do you want a trophy or something? Type less.[/quote] Going to assume this was meant for someone else and you just misclicked.
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Yes, you are right I haven't watch anything regarding this specific encounter. My post was to give a hint behind players choice to solo play games. For me to write a short text like this takes a long time. Many words do I only know by the sound of them, spelling is a different game. Having dyspraxia means that I really suck at jumping with my Lock as to hit a certain button on my Laptop/Phone, especially when content is time gated. My fingers/hands doesn't do what my eyes wants them too. Being "clumsy" doesn't go well with smooth movements in games. When I started to play using a controller I couldn't even manage to look and move forward at the same time. If you ask me I'm a great player all others would say; naaah not so much... Lousy. Stress makes it ten times worse. I'm not complaining just want to say that it always doesn't boils down to a simple "write down a word". When people write GG I can say; I would be a top player regarding the time and effort I have put down trying to be better at gaming. Sorry for the rant and I could probably explain better but it would take me a very long time. Thank you for your answer!
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i mean if someones blind and they wanna drive its not happening if you got social anxiety disorder and you wanna play ALL ASPECTS of a community based game, thats unrealistic
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Having a disability is one thing, I think a lot of people are assuming everyone is just avoiding having to communicate, which a lot are. But if you have a disability just say that in your post and 90% of people who join will be willing to work around it. That’s at least my experience.
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it forces you to play different, which is a nice thing when you ran this -blam!- like 50 times
