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Editado por Revirian:
11/12/2022 11:07:25 PM
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Smoke and mirrors
By now everyone is aware of there being no more secret missions.
This is the the last straw in a packet that has been empty for years.
So I guess the whole point of eververse is now irrelevant as eververse was meant to pay for secret missions...
So you’re going to remove eververse now right? Seeing as you don’t need it anymore.
Or maybe the “whisper ornament payed for zero hour” was all just an excuse to further monetise the game.
Blaming this on dataminers is laughable, every single mission since whisper had been datamined but the actual solutions and activities weren’t, the most we knew was that there was a secret mission added to the game and it was going to drop this weapon or armour. We knew about Niobe labs before it launched but not the solutions because you can’t really datamine that stuff.
The monetisation is getting ridiculous now bungie. People think the Sony acquisition is going to fix the game but we know it won’t. It’s just activision but without being given competent developers.
Activision had high moon do a lot of work for destiny, remember season of opulence? All done by high moon, activisions final “this is what you could have had” before leaving and getting bought by Microsoft.
Insomniac isn’t going to start making seasons that’s for damn sure.
All it will be is another make the game make more money quota.
We have this whole dynamic of casuals vs hardcore players and the community seems so awkwardly out of touch between these sides. Casual players complain that content is only being made for hardcore players and hardcore players complain that content is only being made for casual players.
The truth is that neither side is getting any content. The current content is too grindy for casuals to have time to do and too easy for hardcore players to be bothered with. The content being made is for no one.
I’m honestly done with these smoke and mirrors.
It’s half truths after half truths to cover up ways to make more money from an addicted community.
Enough is enough.
I refuse to take this anymore and neither should the community.
Sell the game to someone who cares and work on matter or just stop.
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7 RespuestasRemember Sony owns them now. Nintendo and Sony are very greedy Good news tho, remember all that content we paid for that was stolen? Sony will have a game called “destiny legends” and it will be a game filled with all the content that has been stolen from us, and it will be sold for $60 Then 10 years later they will remake it and sell it for $70 Sony will Sony, but the fanboys will slurp it up and praise it. Hip hip hooray!!
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14 RespuestasEditado por Scratch: 11/13/2022 5:17:56 AMPeople[i] LOVE [/i]Eververse They just[i] PRETEND[/i] to hate it. Look around, when the new emotes/skins go up for sale everyone's walking around wearing it. If people actually hated it, it wouldn't, no, it couldn't exist. You can only SELL ornaments for $12 if people are willing to GIVE you $12. If you buy silver... [i]You are the reason[/i] Eververse exists. [b][i]"It's simple math guardian, you got the silver Eververse has the goods"[/i][/b]
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6 RespuestasAgree. If they don't make big changes they will lose players. With MW2 and GoW Ragnarok coming out recently and even that last patch to BF2042, most of my friends have left Destiny and I'm about to leave as well. Destiny has lost its spark.
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22 Respuestas[quote]So I guess the whole point of eververse is now irrelevant as eververse was meant to pay for secret missions...[/quote] First, I wouldn’t trust a game company or a representative of a game company that say throw money at the screen for an emote in a videogame. When I heard that from them a long time ago, I knew something is wrong here. Since then, I only think of one thing about them. A Child! 🤣 Something that lacks maturity. It shows just how unprofessional that kind of behavior is. Since then, I never believe anything they said. Wouldn’t trust a word from something that immature. I mean take a look at their work. They are making videogames. And yet they think their game is watchable?… Bwahahahahahaha!🤣 Who does that? They think people will buy their videogame so they could watch it?🤣 Like I said, lack of maturity. It’s beyond laughable!🤣
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Editado por neonsox42: 11/14/2022 5:54:45 PMYou do realize that the entire engineer AMA was taken out of context right? I’d suggest going and reading it. [url=http://example.com]https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/yrsffo/im_david_aldridge_head_of_engineering_at_bungie/[/url] The post by WonderPhil92 goes on to say [quote] So does this outright mean no more surprise missions, or just that the resources won't be spent on them to make them encrypted but they'll still exist? [/quote] The engineer replies that [quote]Ah that’s a fair followup - it just means that thus far we haven’t decided it was worth investing in the encryption. That could change in the future, and I haven’t seen presence/absence of encryption feed into decisions on whether to make secret missions - after all we have other surprises regardless, eg narrative twists, and datamine leaks don’t make us shy away from those. :) [/quote] All this entire thing means is that we might get missions, but they won’t be hidden once the patch that contains them goes live. Just like how we could see Outbreak existed in the API once the patch with its mission dropped. People are taking this entire thing completely out of context.
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Before the red war guardians went to war against Tess and the Eververse. [spoiler]tess won[/spoiler]
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1 RespuestaDude secret missions weren't even popular.
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9 RespuestasI'm glad I don't spend anymore money or time on this game other then this forum. The manipulation has gotten out of control with this business that they are not even hiding it. Mainly because they know most will fall for their nonsense.
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Editado por Spawn Of Apathy: 11/14/2022 3:59:54 AMI don’t think Eververse was meant for secret missions. We only heard about the Zerohour mission being funded based on sales of Whisper ornaments. I don’t think the point was that every dollar of revenue in Eververse was going get turned into a secret mission with an exotic. Even at the time I read it more as Bungie trying to put a positive spin on Eververse, with an example that it can be a benefit to the game. Eververse was always another revenue stream. I won’t pretend that Eververse revenue isn’t filling out executives’s bonuses. It probably is. I do hope the regular devs get decent bonuses too. What wouldn’t surprise me though is if Eververse is subsidizing more content than we realize. By that I mean, as an example Bungie has talked about how D1 assets need to be entirely remade to be brought into D2, and legacy raids like VOG and KF were not monetized outside of ornaments for the raid exotics. Something that to pay for that development. Presage wasn’t secret, but it was free. Even if they took longer than they should the 2 new multiplayer maps were also free. Sandbox updates don’t directly generate revenue either, yet their frequency is quite high. So while Eververse money isn’t going back into the game at a 1:1 ratio, I doubt none of it is. I think a bigger issue is it seems Bungie is taking less risks and being less creative for the sake of easier to produce quickly content. This year has felt particularly barren when it comes to content that feels new or fresh. Each season so far has leaned heavily on assets either already built or designed years ago. We feel like we’ve been to every location already, because we have. We still got one more season to go, maybe it will finally impress. Maybe if not for subclass 3.0 reworks we’d have gotten some fresher content.
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The games been on zombie mode for a couple years tbh
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2 RespuestasEditado por NotCreative123: 11/14/2022 1:22:49 AMThey said that dataminers ruined the integrity of "secret" missions and that programming secret missions takes more time than regular missions. Content is content. I'd rather have a higher volume of content than a smaller amount of "secret" content
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4 Respuestas[quote]By now everyone is aware of there being no more secret missions.[/quote] This isn't what they said. It's very apparent who here on these forums has only seen the clickbait articles and who has actually read what the devs said.
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7 RespuestasEditado por DarkMoonWolf666: 11/13/2022 2:49:38 AMAnother kid that doesn't understand much crying over nothing ...great Please educate yourself before posting fringe that others will up vote due to their lack of knowledge in the game industry Some special items were there to paid for some activities ....but eververse was there way before that and was always there to pay for the game (all live service game news that in order to keep the game alive ) Eververse is cosmetic only and there's weekly rotation of item you can buy for in game currency ...which is by far the best micro transaction shop any live service have The game will always have micro transaction ....peoples will pay for it and I don't get why so many get upset over it ?(because you want them but can't afford it ?) I haven't bought anything for silver in D2(aside DLC) and buy the items I want and armor set with dust easily You are literally asking them to continue to work on the game for a pay cut /for free ....
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All this anger because you can't read lol
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3 RespuestasEditado por Gibbon, the Ape Defector: 11/13/2022 5:34:23 PMDo I have to quote myself like a million times over when some easily counter-able narrative rides a wave and gets reposted endlessly? [spoiler]No, but here just look at this[/spoiler] [quote]Seems like you're misunderstanding the article. It said that creating secret missions [u]in a way that hides them from datamining[/u] is too expensive. Thus, creating missions with the depth and intrigue of Whisper and Zero Hour is still on the table. It's the secret-ness that's expensive, not the experience. They can obviously reproduce the experience; they did it with Dead Man's Tale.[/quote] They didn't [u]blame[/u] dataminers for anything, that's quite a stretch of the article. They are simply talking about encrypting content. And the hardcore vs. casual dilemma you mentioned allows so much space for all those involved in this to be overtaken by confirmation bias. "Casuals think the game is too hardcore and the hardcore think it's the opposite, but in reality it's [u]neither, just damage control for both[/u]," if you approve of this paraphrasing. Intensifying the toughest parts of the game while allowing space for casuals to do simpler things outside of this pinnacle content can be called damage control as a straw-man if you want to dislike the game, but if you meant to defend the game, you'd steel-man that by saying it's a compromise between the wants of both sides. So which is it? You can't just say an idea without explaining it if you want valuable feedback. But a lot of people don't care about valuable feedback these days so what do I know
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2 RespuestasI love ignorant posts like this. You -blam!- nerds are crying about a mission that's not known for 5 minutes. It's only a secret for the first guy.
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Editado por Tigerpaws: 11/13/2022 7:16:13 PMI'm not sure they said directly that eververse was to pay for secret missions, only that it did pay for a mission. Just to set things straight I have never bought silver or anything with it. I still have my free 1000 silver that they gave us years ago.
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1 RespuestaI feel like they’ve been focusing on dungeons like Duality which I really enjoyed. Also before that there was the dead man’s tale mission.
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1 RespuestaYou complete rejects got baited so hard by a guy that didn’t even read the article he posted.
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3 RespuestasLeave the drama behind and get your head around what the game truly is. It’s a time sink. A cash cow. Ever since the decision was made to change to the seasonal model and create a WoW/Fortnite hybrid driven by FOMO to drive player retention the game changed. It’s no longer about creating and providing genre leading development and content. This franchise is all about making as much money as possible while providing as little NEW development as possible. Reskin, reuse, rehash from D1 and hype as new. This business model has proven itself to be profitable, therefore expect more of the same going forward.
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2 RespuestasThe whole EV "justification" was PR talk to try to "paint it in a good light". Nothing more, nothing less. Blaming the dataminers was a "we have to blame someone/something" situation. We've had datamines since D1 on PS3 era (as Thagomizers and Dubious Volley proved) and only now they became an issue? Really? I really, really, really, really, doubt Sony will allocate studios like Insomniac, Santa Monica or Sucker Punch to "carry the weight" for Bungie. Those studios proved their value with their own releases and, if Bungie doesn't do the same, I think another "split" might be in the way.
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It's all about the gameplay my friend. There's no competition in the co-op pve segment. If that changes, we may see changes in Bungie. Until then I will continue to support the slickest fps to ever come along.
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Awww diddums.
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2 RespuestasWell said! The manipulation has to end it’s sad such a decent game dev lower themselves to using every evil addictive whaling mobile game tactic possible while failing to deliver any content of substance.
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Glad others are seeing how greedy these devs really are … should be illegal to lie as much as they do
