<We've almost always been on defense. Almost every single one of our motives were based on looming threats, invitations, or they were reactionary. - The Heart was a literal Darkness artifact sapping the Traveler's Light. - Crota and his brood (hell almost every other Hive on this list) are responsible for killing BILLIONS, exterminating entire species with zero regret. - Oryx got himself killed mostly. Also he had the neat ability to send you straight to the literal God of Darkness to have your SOUL overridden. - The Splicers... they were threatening us but they're probably the least antagonistic... amazingly. - Ghaul bombed the City, killed hundreds, and threatened to destroy the system. - Panoptes was literally beginning to enact a plan that would leave the Vex as the sole survivors of the entire universe, including the eradication of Light and Dark. - Xol was going to kill Rasputin - Uldren killed Cayde. Even though we pursued out of vengeance, almost all the Scorn Barons (MAYBE the Mindbender being the exception) were complete maniacs and regular murderers, the worst of the Eliksni even by their standards. I only leave Hiraks up for debate because most of his crimes were experiments with Ascendant portals and banging Hive. - Riven was threatening to Blight the entire Dreaming City, thanks Savathun - Dul Incaru was in the middle of Blighting the entire Dreaming City, thanks again Savathun - Siviks was planning to NUKE the City with a -blam!- Metal Gear - We were invited to kill Gahlran, who was going crazy thanks to Savathun - The remnants of Crota's brood were making a fuss, I don't think I need to explain why those Hive are bad - Garden of Salvation was a test, we were invited... granted not by the Vex but by the Pyramids. - Yeah... OK... I see the point with Undying. - The Flayers were literally trying to reach racial superiority - Amtec was literally going to crash a multi-kilometer space station into the City, which had a good chance of wiping out all life on Earth period - No, I kinda feel bad for Nokris. Thanks Savathun... again - We were investigating Variks, got pulled into some -blam!-. Eramis's death was probably a good thing since she was going a little crazy. House Salvation was bleeding members before we even got there. Also the Dark Future showed she would become a legit threat had we not stopped her. - The High Celebrant was spearheading an operation to literally corrupt people's minds - Yeah we kinda -blam!- with Caiatl's rituals... but then again Caiatl was abusing those to great rid of dissenters anyway... I think we both did each other a favor there. - My poor child Quria was cast to the wayside by Savathun. She set it to drain the City's power. She set it to infest the networks with her own -blam!-. - Xivu Arath, the Scorn, and the Taken are aligned with the Winnower and the Pyramids. Just because their mission is to kill Savathun doesn't mean they won't turn their attention on us. Reminder that the Winnower will continue to winnow until there's nothing left standing but itself. - According to the simple fact that Season of the Risen exists, Savathun is actually going on the offensive and she's intentionally leading us to her Throne World for something. So that's just another reason to tack onto the "why Savathun, despite being neutral, is an actual menace and should be dealt with". Very few of the people we've faced were good people by the time we got involved.>

But but all the genocide, racism, and fascism is for the greater good of the Universe…right?…..RIGHT?

Let’s be real, good and evil are subjective to the core.

I've been saying it since I came to D2 that there's nothing good about our Guardian. We use every other species attempts to gain power as an excuse to commit genocide on them.

Yes, I actually see it that way too - humanity was chosen by the traveler because it is esoterically impressionable and pragmatic at the same time. Manipulation is easier with it. The Guardians don't question what they do and the ghosts themselves are sometimes uncertain. Humanity is like a virus (hi Mr Smith) and continues to exist despite numerous enemies. The darkness lives by "eat or be eaten", but the chosen humanity lived by "eat and only eat". The final raid will be against the traveler who opposed the balance of the universe.

"[b]Hero is nothing but the killer/monster on your side[/b]". That's what Guardians are.

Just because half our life is spent murdering other Guardians and trying to exterminate other species? Not to mention working for the gangster, Spider. Do good guys do that?

With how much killing we do, it’s kinda hard to feel like a good guy in this game.

I have a theory, it does have holes, but the traveler is the winnower and the pyramids are the gardener. This would explain why everyone effected by the traveler dies and why the traveler doesn't make creatures immortal (except guardians). The winnower is essential death and was against immortality. The gardener was life and wanted its creations to live forever. Creaters blessed by the pyramids (or its followers) gain immortality so long as they follow their rules.

FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE GUARDIANS ARE EVIL

We, as a species, have been destroying ourselves and everything around us since we were first conceived. The Traveler basically broke reality cause it was bored and wanted to prove itself(herself?) right. It then proceeded to condemn many alien races but sacrifice itself multiple times to preserve a specific race that— let’s face it— doesn’t deserve to be saved. Humanity has shown no empathy toward the Eliksni who are just like us but not lucky enough to be chosen by a false God. Granted, they attacked first but we’ve had plenty of chances to make peace since then and it’s taken us far too long to try. So yeah… we suck. That’s just my opinion, of course. Some of this may be subjective.