Okay, so I've been seeing a lot alotalot of discourse on the topic already. And I quite enjoyed Trials last weekend, and I enjoyed it for the first few hours of this one. But after that, it's really... Poor. And it's a complex web of problems stemming from this idea, of having people who've gone flawless this weekend, only go against other flawless players, who made it to the lighthouse this weekend.
First off, let's identify how you go flawless.
Simply put, you have to match against a team, that is weaker than your team, seven times in a row. Statistically speaking, if every single match is a dead even team, who's always going to be exactly as good as your team. Then winning seven matches in a row, is impossible. (Statistically speaking, the chance is very low, as you're flipping a fifty fifty coin, seven times, and need it to land on heads every time.) So in order to have people who aren't the top ten percent go flawless, the game mode needs a large player pool, of varying skilled players.
This was maintained last week, because weaker players, who had trouble going flawless before, were able to do it because of the increased player pool, that was the biggest change, that made it so popular, and gave it so much success, the revamped reward system led to more players. Trials literally, cannot survive, the concept of flawless cannot survive, without lower skill players playing the game mode.
I am not the best (I'm certainly not the worst, there are some... anomalies, out there) but last week I managed to go flawless (for the first time), know what ai did after that? Kept playing trials. Why? Because even after I went flawless there were still great rewards to be earned, and I managed to match up against weaker teams and get those extra engrams you get for winning at seven wins, and enhancement cores and xp. I still had fun, going against casual teams and shooting the -blam!- with my fireteam while we played, we had already gone flawless, and now that we could relax, we could just play, enjoy the game mode, and even end up being the stepping stones for a team to go flawless themselves.
So because the rewards are still good, last week, even after reaching flawless, weak and average players, still kept playing, the population of the game mode stayed high,a and players who played later into the weekend, still got flawless, because the weak and average players were still being matchmade against them.
With this new flawless matchmaking, bad and average players have NO incentive to keep playing after going flawless. Because they are matched into 0-5 stomp fests against the higher tier players.
To simplify, when a weaker, or average player went flawless, they went back in to grind for more engrams, or fill up another card for extra adepts.
This weekend, when a weak or average player reaches flawless, they stop playing trials, the pool of average and weak players is smaller, making the chance of "other" weak and average players going flawless, smaller.
So you understand how this flawless matchmaking negatively impacts weaker players? It's taking away the casuals, they need to be matchmade up against, in order to win. Not that wins should be handed out, but winning seven matches in a row has a heavy amount of luck, of you not running into a stronger team. (Part of a whole other issue about how obtaining adept pvp weapons is a much more difficult ordeal than pve adepts)
Now, onto the sweats. I've seen way too many posts about people ragging on higher tier players because. "They just wanna pubstomp cause they're selfish" don't act like if you could what they do, that you wouldn't. Get off your high horse.
Sweaty players do indeed enjoy a challenge, it's why they sweat. I myself enjoy having my skills tested, my limits pushed, and I'm brought to the brink where I have to use everything I've learned to win a close match.
But doing that EVERY. SINGLE. MATCH. Is freakin' tiring. Your brain is a muscle, using it, thinking, consumes calories. Having to leave a puddle under your chair from perspiration every match. Is exhausting.
Remember how I said that after I went flawless last week I continued to play, because I didn't need to sweat, and could casually farm rewards with my friends? Believe or not, sweats are human beings too. They also want to do that, the problem is, with flawless matchmaking pools. They can't, they can't play casually. Because if they're not giving their one hundred percent every match, they will lose.
And because weaker and average players stop playing after flawless, the only people in flawless matchmaking pools, are other sweats who are also suffering from the same thing I just described.
How do you avoid this problem, where every game is a crusade against the enemy team that drains all your mental resources? Oh right, don't go flawless.
Enter the big problem. Every time a weak or average player goes flawless, the player pool decreases, because they don't want to keep playing after flawless. So because there's no weak or average players in flawless matchmaking, what do sweats have to do in order to play casually? Play in the kiddie pool. And don't tell me that they sweat every match, there's no way that's casual.
I played Titanfall 2. There was a point, where I got good enough, that while casually playing, and watching a YouTube video, and texting a friend on the side. I'd absolutely mollywop the entire lobby without even paying attention. And I got hatemail calling me a sweaty try hard, but I wasn't try harding, the game had become second nature. That pubstomp was me going easy. I'm not trying to brag(Though please feel free to be impressed. Or just don't believe me idrc). I'm trying to say, what looks like training for the destiny Olympics and basement dwelling goblins who's hands are glued to their input device, might just be someone not even trying very much.
That's not to insult anyone, that's just the facts, some people are "that" good.
I'm saying this to give perspective, because I hate seeing unnecessary toxicity, and bs, ina game I love so much.
But back to my point before I started talking about Titanfall. Those really good players who want to play trials casually, don't go flawless, so slowly, as the weekend goes on, and weak, and average players go flawless, the population pool in non flawless matchmaking becomes less filled with casuals who have trouble going flawless, and more filled with sweats who "could" go flawless, but don't want to because then they can't play the game mode casually anymore. But they still want the casual trials loot, like reputation and engrams
Tldr:Flawless matchmaking lowers the amount of people playing trials, which in turn, lowers the overall quality of the game mode.
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Thank god there’s a sensible post on these forums.
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Going flawless should be difficult not easy. So the high skilled players crying are in fact babies. Easy game after easy game gets -blam!- boring but I guess they just like stomping on scrubs. Now there skill is being put to the test and they're crying
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4 RespuestasEditado por Infamous067: 9/18/2021 1:19:02 PMAll bungie did was give a higher chance at lower skill players at reaching the light house. You guys don’t seem to understand that the more people go flawless, the easier the matchmaking will get over the weekend because majority of people will enter the flawless pool. Instead everyone is resorting to exploiting the mode just to have easy games. If you all followed this matchmaking correctly and played by the rules, your games would be far easier after a day or two. That mentality that you don’t want to face other flawless players is pathetic, just get to the light house. wait a day after and wait for less skill players to reach the light house and you can still feel good about yourself in a freaking video game.
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Dude ur contradicting urself . The lower skilled players are fine . Ur complaining about trials the endgame for pvp being hard lol 😂 bro go take ur own medicine or go play pve . Flawless isn’t suppose to be easy . U liked last week bec ur playing against tommy no thumbs . Now u get to grind to get that loot .. ur a flawless player complaining… ooof
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7 RespuestasExcept you are wrong. It hurts no one. Non flawless players can finally go flawless...and flawless people dont need to go flawless anymore.
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2 RespuestasI remember all those Trials Sweats saying things like Trials is supposed to be for the Elite. Now they have to eat their soup but it tastes really bad.
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2 RespuestasGoing flawless in trials isn’t supposed to be easy. Someone who plays almost exclusively pvp should be rewarded for the time invested in that game mode. He should be able to reach flawless without too much difficulty. I don’t get how anyone can look at this system and think that it’s fine. It only awards the bottom players that shouldn’t be able to reach the lighthouse because they’re not good enough yet. Like you stated, going flawless is a gamble and your success in that gamble should be influenced by the amount of time and the skills that you developed. The matchmaking should be representative of the whole trial population so that you can somewhat accurately gauge your skill and have your luck dependent on your skill level, which isn’t the case right now. The bottom tier player and the full on try hard shouldn’t have the same chance at reaching flawless, it’s simply not logical.
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I do not understand why Bungie needs to fiddle with the system all the time besides for cheaters and to make the games run as stable as possible on their end. In Destiny 1 you could join literally anyone, and I don't care who I end up with so long the connection are fine. Why SBMM and why the flawless system! There is a change you run into anyone in the wild that is whole fun about it! "You never know who you run into"! And yes they could add solo que I understand but for the rest leave it!
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2 RespuestasReality check for you. The weaker players will just stop playing. 30% went flawless last week. 70% didn't. So what's the point of that 70% of playing?
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6 RespuestasTldr: Put it back to how it was when everyone was pretending like people weren't being handed flawless by screwing other people over. Its like this game runs on little magic elves that are neither heard nor seen sometimes. It should have been blatantly obvious that when they decided to cater to certain people based on what those people were saying in order to get what they wanted that those same people would not be happy with only one flawless being handed to them. And now there's multiple posts with people discussing how they should have access to increased flawlesseseses on an ever increasing basis for doing not really that much of anything.
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Nah, baby
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/259693114
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1 RespuestaVery true. As someone who is not bad but not a super sweat, I loved last week - 8 Flawlesses including a few carries, but this week put my controller down after just the 1 because of how bad it is. I can’t even play with my friends who have lower KDs as I am in the flawless pool and they aren’t. More reason not to play than reason to play. And yes I will get my flawless each week and enjoy it but I won’t play as much over the weekend!!
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9 Respuestaspeople wanted this
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10 RespuestasThis sounds like an April fools joke🤦🏽
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9 RespuestasI would say this illustrated the problem well idk If I would be considered a sweat as I'm a 2.20 for the season right now. Still, I had a great time last week was a blast, and I welcomed the occasional sweat game as I had one game against a team on a 44 streak that my team ended up ending that was a great time and was the highlight of the weekend as it was a challenging game but doing that every game is not enjoyable as being able to chill and enjoy ones time is what made last week so fun imo but for a lot of people I have a feeling my opinion doesn't matter and they think I should be ostracised as I'm the problem I guess though I'm just wanting to have a fun time in the mode to.