It's not just VoG. It's the nature of the heavily mechanic laden raid encounters. So there is a lot of anxiety and stress in these lfg groups. And little tolerance for wiping and teaching. And swapping our players is it's own problem because it requires reexplaining and assigning roles. Lfg has been a cluster since D2 introduced raid lairs and I saw a little of it in certain encounters in the calus raid. I think elitism isnt the issue. It's a stress to finish it more than anything. But that's a bungie problem. In D1 one we finished raids all raids by friday and settled in to sherpaing through the weekend. Raids are now too stressful and less people and clans feel comfortable leading teams through raids. Hence it's better to find a core group to raid with and do just do closed raids together. The community for lfg isnt what it once was. Not by a ling shot.