Sprint Exotics Slide Exotics Jump Exotics Behemoth Slide Melee Fly Combo These need tuning

[quote]Bungie: "Oh wow. Shotguns are responsible for 30% of all PvP kills" Also Bungie: "OK but people who use shotguns are whining that they get sniped sometimes because they're bad at the game." Bungie: "Good point. Forget shotguns. Even if the player is getting shot in the foot from out of range for 5 damage let's make the camera go so crazy they can't even move in time to not get 3 tapped by a 120 hand cannon."[/quote] Which was needed, peppering a sniper only to have them flinch to the head felt AWFUL, and it made snipers really oppressive before considering they disproportionately are favored by the bad netcode. Also 30% in a chaotic mode that's almost entirely maps that barely fit 12 people on them is not only not a testimant to real power, but also should be expected. [quote]Also Bungie: "Eureka. Balanced." Shotguns are clearly broken. It's dumb that a spread weapon is so accurate in the air. Sometimes it seems like they're even more accurate in the air than on the ground. It would literally balance the game to make them inaccurate in the air.[/quote] That just makes people crutch Icarus harder, especially considering it already takes most shotguns' mod slots, since the base IAA is actually not great on shotguns. [quote]Whoever is whining about snipers is just a shotgunner mad about getting sniped by a good sniper. Yes, the reticle shouldn't flinch you on to people, that was a problem, but the flinch now is excessive in a game meta where players not only have invisibility, but can spam abilities that can skate them cross map and overwhelm a sniper...either make the maps bigger, nerf speed hacking around the map, nerf shotguns, or reduce/rework sniper flinch. It's horrendous.[/quote] Snipers are fine where they're at, anyone with good reflexes and positioning can still completely run games with them, as well as shit down entire thirds of the map. Shotguns don't get NEARLY that power, and they're easy to contest by simply... Staying out of range, a feat impossible against snipers. [quote]When I get flinched there's zero hope of recovering to land a shot, and not only that it's so jarring that a lot of times you get shot to death trying to just recover the camera.[/quote] No, the current meta weapon(s) actually leave a window in between hits where you can stay accurate, you just need good timing, only really automatics, that delayed explosive round perk that True Prophecy can have, or really really fast Scouts/pulses don't leave that window in terms of things that are viable where you'd be realistically using a sniper. Not to mention, snipers shouldn't be literally uncontestable outside of things explained by bad netcode in general, look at Cold War, those snipers are blatantly overpowered because they aren't contestable directly at all. Shotguns as a whole only need Quickdraw and Opening Shot removed, and bigger maps for 6s, that's literally it. You have summoned me.

The fact that whenever these shotgun posts come up there's always a flurry of players coming forward to defend them with poor pvp stats speaks volumes. Clearly a crutch. These players need to realize they'll be able to compete better with more balanced shotguns instead of worshipping them like some sort of shotgun bootlickers. C'mon now guys. It's like watching a Walmart employee defend the $20M salary of the CEO 🙃

Three reasons that shotguns are “all powerful” -Spammo everywhere -Small maps/Corridors -High handling A fix to one of these may lower their usage, but a fix to all of them may kill their usage. They’re everywhere because they do their job well in most, if not every, scenario. Something ought to be done, but I’m unsure if anyone knows the best solution with the least repercussions. [spoiler][i]cough[/i] public test server could implement these changes and see how they pan out [i]cough[/i][/spoiler]

The real problem is the small, enclosed maps, and underpowered primary weapons. If they made larger, more open maps and/or buffed SMGs and sidearms, shotguns would be less of an issue.

Shotguns aren’t broken. Players are. Either get better at shotgunning. Or back up and spray them down. Smg’s will take a ape down fast if you put some space 👍. Also shotguns get the blame for this games real problems lag, FPS advantages of next gen systems. At least on console these are issues. Also anyone playing this game on a TV I would highly recommend getting a monitor with very low response time, completely changed my experience in pvp.

Shotguns aren’t the problem.. its the mobility options bungie continues to expand upon

It's not the shotguns. There are too many close-quarters areas in maps that favor shotguns. You can nerf them all you want and you'll still die to shotguns all the time. What needs to happen is for Bungie to bring back larger PvP maps like Equinox... or make some new ones like they should've done with their big $40 expansion... The only real nerf I'd give shotguns is removing Quickdraw from slow-firing frames.

In the past, during D1 Y3, when Shotguns had become over oppressive, Bungie shared datas about this and they ended up to nerf Shotguns and they also tweaked Special Ammo Economy. If this situations should repeat again, I'm pretty sure they're going to do the same exact thing. However, so far they just "mentioned" something about the Fellwinter's Lie which -perphaps- could be nerfed.

wrong, ammo economy need rework