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6/16/2020 12:03:45 PM
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I see your point, however allow me to offer a counter perspective. To start I have played MMO’s and RPG’s most of my life. WoW, Guild Wars, FFXIV, etc. and those games all had a grind component to them. A much larger grind component in fact. Back in the early WoW days (and this might still be the case) you could find private servers in the web. I was a much younger man then and I wanted to “skip the grind” so I joined one, leveled to max immediately through console commands and gave myself all the best loot in the game. Within a week I had run out of content to do because I had cheated through the entire thing, although this wasn’t against the rules on a private server so... whatever. I found myself quickly going back to the grind and enjoying the game much better playing the legitimate way and went on to play lots of end game content, which also had a grind component. What’s the point of this story and what’s the difference? The grind is a component of these types of games. It’s not my favorite part but it’s consistent across MMO’s, RPG’s, etc. and will continue to be until a company can figure out a way to produce content as fast as the players can consume it. So locking end game content behind a grind is supposed to be the prize at the end. If you didn’t work hard to get there, I promise you the reward at the end isn’t as sweet. “Oh but I’m tired of the grind, I paid for the content, it’s been 6 years of the same crap, blah blah blah” yeah I get it. Been here since Beta and I’m getting to that. Now for the difference. MMO’s and other RPG’s (by the way that’s what destiny is fundamentally) typically have large engaging worlds with a variety of things to do on the side for players while still allowing them to engage in the world. Destiny’s options are 1.) crucible which isn’t in the best state 2.) Gambit and Gambit prime which is in an even worse state 3.) collecting Lore which destiny actually has a lot of really engaging lore and 4.)..... not much else... that is really worth doing in any meaningful way between start to finish or at least low stress and still fun. Something I LOVED was Sparrow Racing League. Armor didn’t mean shit and the shaders kinda sucked but man was it fun talking shit to my clan mates. An ACTUAL CRAFTING activity could help. More frequent side quest content drops perhaps. Anyways that turned a little ranty and I’m sorry for that. TLDR: End game content will always be locked behind a grind wall because studios cannot create content as fast as we consume it so adding things to do between the start and end of the grind would be more enjoyable than just taking the grind out.
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  • Badwolf412, neither of us care how YOU play your games whether it be WoW, or any other game. All who play Destiny 2 have payed for the game in one way or another, and that includes those pesky microtransactions which for a while Bungie was open to pushing that shit on players for them to buy stuff when it was never needed in the first place. My point is, that we pay for our game we also have the right to choose how we play and to be allowed to play that way, whether it being grinding or even AFK forge farming. Already as it is, the forges dont drop any additional power leveling loot so patching it and now hiding literally ALL the new content behind LONG ass grinding is just not right. It's like Bungie WANTS us to suffer and keep paying for the game. I payed for my game and over the course of the entirety of the releases of destiny and destiny 2 I've spent over 200$. Bungie doesn't want players to enjoy the game, they just want to take all of our hard earned money. Also worth noting that when you're 20+ years old, there's school and jobs to worry about and A LOT of people can ONLY invest maybe 2-3 hours a week max. This is just bullshit. Unpatch the forges FFS!!!! first the loot cave in destiny 1 now this?! Way to drop the ball on that one Bungie.

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  • The AFK farming isn’t how they intended the game to be played and if you bought the season day 1 you didn’t know about the glitch so don’t pretend you “put your hard earned money” towards being able to level that way and if you bought it for that cheese and they patched it... well you haven’t learned anything from the $200 you spent on the history of destiny.

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  • Ok so 1. If it took you ALL day to respond, it’s probably because you didn’t know what to say in the first place (in which case don’t bother) but you probably didn’t get that since you’re arguing against the afk forge anyways. Petty little cry baby lol 2. I knew about this before this season, & I’ve been playing since D1 before the original loot cave so your point there is also invalid. 3. MY point being way more prominent (since everyone else on this thread is literally against your dumb argument) is that the people who don’t have time to grind out tedious shit (because of work, school, etc) just to access limited time content such as this seasons new dungeon prophecy which is confirmed going away, is just downright robbery (we pay only to have to play the same old shit before accessing what we payed for) It’s also to say that cry babies such as yourself are the reason people don’t get nice things like the loot caves. You pesky little shits complain so much that the only option bungie has is to patch things to end your bullshit ass conflict with people who aren’t even starting shit with you in the first place. Kinda like back in elementary when we used to bring our cards to school only for ONE little shit to get his cards stolen or some shit then -blam!- about it until said thing is banned. Lol actually it’s EXACTLY like that now that I think of it.

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  • 1.) I didn’t respond because I was attending to my life... work and such, which you claim is a legitimate reason to not pay attention to something like grinding so why would I troll a destiny forum all day? 2.) you know about AFK farming for these engrams before the season launched? Really? That’s the case? If your such a psychic how didn’t you know the season was going to turn out this way? 3.) I don’t think the grind Is awesome. In fact there isn’t much to break it up, however that doesn’t moot the point that this glitch and the loot cave aren’t supposed to be in the game and that’s why bungie patched it. I don’t know one person that complained, me included. The real problem here is that you’re poor at time management during the week and you don’t actually want to put in the work so you’re gonna cry and moan all while accusing other people when they correct you. Don’t project your elementary school b.s on the destiny forums, which I would guess was probably last year, because you’re not getting your light levels handed to you.

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  • Shit lol you stink at raiding lol only 4 sherpas on the Levi? Lmao!! I have 7 😂and I mean shit you’re just pathetic. Kinda feel bad for you tbh.. no effort from your part yet you preach about that replying to me.. lmao 😂😂😂

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  • Yup I was right lol you’re 1020. Raid reported you. Guess you’re not better than me after all 🖕🖕🖕

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  • And btw I’m at 1035 power level. Way higher than you probably lol and that’s all from the afk farming and yesterday doing raids with my clan. Keep talking about “putting in effort” when you still have -blam!- all to argue about

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  • Also, YOU are exactly like how cry baby kids were back in the day. What are you stupid or what? -blam!- 😂😂😂🖕🖕🖕🖕

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  • Dude get a life 😂😂 like for real.. you need to get over yourself and f*** off

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  • Jesus you responded to me for two days? Look you can toss insults at me all day and it’s not going to matter to me because I can tell arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. You’re just gonna knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut around like you actually won. I actually feel bad for you right now man. You trolled this post for two days because you don’t have anything better to do. Maybe your 20+ in age but mentally it’s obvious you’re a toddler. So I will leave you with this. Loot caves and glitch grinding aren’t going to ever stay in the game very long... period... end of discussion and I understand why and don’t think they should be. Sorry you disagree. Que idiot popping off like he did something that justifies his miserable existence.

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  • Also, my age doesn’t matter. I’ll kick your little ass either in PvP on IRL ANY day. Bring it 🖕

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  • Alright so #1. I replied just as you did too so you did the same and your point is what exactly on that? 2. I don’t play chess, but I’d gladly “toss” some of my Thorn bullets your way any day. Let’s see who’s “strutting around” then. I really don’t mind. You seem like the type to rage over games anyways (based off the fact that your point was to argue against something a lot of people enjoyed) & it really wasn’t an insult.. I looked up your destiny 2 character online (there’s a way with certain websites look it up in case you live in a cave) & saw your game stats and all. All in all, I can’t say I’ve seen worse than yours. Also, for someone who has an awful lot of incomplete forge encounters, you sure have a big mouth on you, for even arguing against the main point (Afk forge farming) in the first place. And 3. If I were a pigeon I wouldnt be able to play chess neither (what are you -blam!-?) lmao but I’d probably take a huge bird shit on you, you fat bag of salt 🖕😂🖕

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  • Yeah whatever bud I don’t mind grinding The point is Bungie built this broken leveling system and it’s RNG loot rewards. Random rewards are BAD when targeting leveling. 3 choices regarding D2 I- Pray to RnJesus and play legit- Good luck!🍀 II- AFK farm forges, bounty hoard, and overall exploit the system. - Common among veterans. 😉 III- Don’t play D2. - Common among veterans. 😉 Im out

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  • I won’t dispute the grind in between is wack.

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  • [quote]I won’t dispute the grind in between is wack.[/quote] Yeah I literally just turned off the game since I’ve been grinding out the pubic event today and a few weeklies with reset and all... My gear power level read 1037, with my helm at 1041 and my cloak at 1040 and my energy weapon at 1041 the rest at 1037. Well I went to ol Drifter to focus my engrams; First one was a pinnacle helmet at 1043. Ok. Now my gear power level is 1038 I have four more engrams now displaying 1039 When I decrypt them I get 3 helms all at 1039. Useless. And a cloak at 1039. Hours of grind. Disrespected by RNG. For what? ONE RANK!?!? Yeah 🦆 this game.

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  • So I just did the dungeon with some friends and I had three pieces of gear drop at my level and two from secret chests below. I was pretty confused about how that worked tbh. I just want something in between to break it up. The new dungeon was a lot of fun and luckily I have clan mates that carried my under leveled ass through. I don’t particularly mind the new public event but the other modes should contribute more to some degree.

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  • Editado por damnter: 6/16/2020 12:52:17 PM
    The biggest mistake is turning destiny into a mmo rpg. It's a game on it's own. This whole mmo rpg type of gameplay is Puke Smiths idea. This is Destiny, not WoW. It's a looter shooter space magic game in it's own right. Trying to turn it into a mmo rpg is a huge mistake. That's why this game has turned into shit. At least Activision knew this and just backed out because of these completly stupid ideas of turning this game into a first person WoW. If the playerbase wanted a mmo rpg they would go play one. Than they wouldn't main Destiny as a game. It's such a horible idea to try to turn the game into that. The biggest disaster for this franchise ever. We have Puke Smith to thank for that!🤮 Studio's like Vucarious Vision had the right idea with forsaken and the dreaming city.

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  • I mean I think they were trying to get out of looter shooter and into full world envelopment for the player. Forsaken hit that squarely on the head. I loved running around the tangled shore and the lost city and even after I got through the shore content and went into the lost city I was like “holy shit... there’s more???” Which is a good reaction. MMORPG is hard to hit with this kind of game and idk if bungie is up to the task. I thought going this route would be better but I was mistaken. I am going to follow my usual tactic of not preordering until I know more.

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