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9/9/2019 11:27:14 PM
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New Hunter Vanguard
Disclaimer:I’m new to lore so correct me and if this point has been made point me to a link. [spoiler]because uldren sov was reborn by pulled pork as a guardian if he turns to be a hunter then because of cacdye s vangaurd dare he will be the new vangaurd[/spoiler]
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Imo it makes sense. Was uldren a hunter for the queen? Because there are more than just vanguard factions in the destiny universe. And according to Cayde’s dare, the rules are applied to ANY hunter, not just those of good. The Hunter before cayde didn’t make a vanguard dare so the hunters came up with one to determine who was going to be the Hunter vanguard. So whoever the next Vanguard hunter will be is determined by the dare. Although there so many plotholes and missing elements causing the community to be divided on who it should be. Pulled pork was looking for his guardian for the longest......so that raises another question. Do Ghost wait until the host dies before choosing them as well? I know shin got chosen while he was alive. Or maybe pulled pork is just comic relief that made a mistake. And the more I think about it, Uldren was corrupted for the longest after he went to the black garden. Hence why pulled pork couldn’t locate his host. Maybe uldren was never suppose to go into the black garden. In if so, Uldren would’ve became a guardian regardless, After all.......“Guardians make their own fate.” I know I’m all over the place with this post. But I really want to know the outcome of this story arc. I’m one foot in, one foot out with The lore
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1 RespuestaI still think we shouldn't care about this and make Shiro-4 the new Hunter vanguard. He's a Hunter who already work with Cayde-6, he know his methods and Shiro-4 was the vanguard man at the Iron temple during Y3 of D1.
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1 RespuestaI've just seen that someone else already answered you about your idea. I'd like to add just one little thing. The following piece of lore comes from Stolen Intelligence - "Instability" lore: [quote]2. Regarding the open Hunter Vanguard position and the terms of Cayde's Dare: The situation is unprecedented. Were we to trace the chain of culpability back to its first link, I believe we would be obligated to elect a Hive god to our council. Our current inclination is to caucus with the Hunters to debate the benefits of opening the position to any interested and well-qualified Hunter. Such a debate is, of course, contingent upon the continued existence of the Vanguard itself. We will make an effort to convene the Hunters as soon as possible, [u]but this group should be well aware that most credible candidates have fled the Tower in anticipation of such a debate.[/u][/quote] One of the biggest issue about the place as Hunter Vanguard is... well, no Hunter wanna take it. Hunters are famous to be free spirits, lonewolves, always around for the frontier. [quote]"What does it mean to be a Hunter? I say, it’s all about where you belong. The Warlocks have their libraries, the Titans have their walls...But Hunters belong in the wilds."[/quote] (source: Cayde-6 dialogue at the start of the Quest to take the Nightstalker subclass in Destiny: The Taken King [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68R_jjdlvJw]). For a Warlock or a Titan become a member of the Vanguard is a honor. For a Hunter is just a pain in the a**. No more freedom. No more adventures... you always saw that with Cyade, right? [quote]"I go down to the hangar and tune it up sometimes, you know? Pass the time with Amanda and keep it running. Someday… I'm gonna get out of this tower." —Cayde-6"[/quote] (source: Gambler's Palm lore [https://www.light.gg/db/items/3031114503/the-gamblers-palm/]). Basically, what is importat to understand is that the Vanguard Dare runs around a simple concept: it's NOT who wins the Dare to became the Vanguard Hunter, is who LOSES the dare to be FORCED to take that place. And it's a honor thing, you can't say no. That's how it worked between Cayde-6 and Andal Brask. They decided that who had failed to kill Taniks would have become the new Hunter Vanguard. [quote]"See, there was that opening on the Vanguard, Hunter slot. We both wanted Taniks. Only one would get the killing blow, and the glory. The loser had to hang 'em up… and lock themselves away in a Tower. Leave the lonely roads to real-dealers."[/quote] (source: The Man They Call Cayde: Turn [https://www.destinypedia.com/Lore:The_Man_They_Call_Cayde#Turn]). Cayde killed Taniks and Andal became the Hunter Vangaurd. After that, Andal was killed by Taniks who was discovered not really dead, that's why Cayde-6 decided to take the place as Hunter Vanguard (after all, he le lost the Dare). Another thing to take in consideration is the fact that this is not the first time that the Hunter Vanguard place is empty for a long period. Before Andal, there was no Hunter Vanguard for more then two years. [quote]"Didn't have a Hunter Vanguard back then, what with Kauko Swiftriver finally being declared dead after two years MIA and his Dare nowhere to be found. Speaker said it was on the rest of us Hunters to figure it out." [/quote] "[/quote] (source: The Man They Call Cayde: Turn [https://www.destinypedia.com/Lore:The_Man_They_Call_Cayde#Turn]). So, back to the point: who is the most suitable Hunter that could became the Hunter Vanguard? The most logical answer is Shiro-4. That's because Shiro-4 is a pretty old Hunter with great experience on the field. He was in the same team with Cayde-6 and Andal back then, he knows a lot of things. He was also a good friend of Cayde-6 and maybe he could feel that "I should take his place" thing. Also, it would be much easier for Bungie to give us a character that alrady exists into the Destiny world that create a new one out of the blue. "But, what about the Dare then?" you could ask. Good question. In the past, as I already said before, there was a case in which no one discovered "the dare" of a previous Hunter Vanguard. In that case the Speaker sid that was on the Hunters to find out a solution. So, since the situation now is pretty complicated becuase all the Uldren thing, it's probably that we are going in the same direction again: Hunters will decide what to do. And... since all the other things I've said before... I think that, if in the future we will see again a Hunter Vanguard, it will be probably Shiro-4. Also, there is the possibility that we simply will not have a Hunter Vanguard. If you see the game right now, for example, we have Ikora that doesn't work anymore as Vendor, but simply as NPC to go for a Powerfull Gear once every week. If Bu7ngie decide to put another NPC, what role could he have? It's pretty complicated...
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27 RespuestasSo basically there are three groups. 1. People who agree with you: ”uldren would be hunter vanguard if he was a hunter due to the dare” 2. People who disagree with you: “Uldren would not be hunter vanguard because he wasn’t a guardian at that time, and (Ikora or Zavala, it varies) wouldn’t let it happen. Also we don’t even know if he will be a hunter anyways.(That last sentence is usually addressed to people who are like “no, your opinion is wrong, no matter what he will be the hunter vanguard”) 3. Me:”No, you misunderstood the dare. The dare was given to Marcus Ren [quote]This is to any hunter who kills me, my guess? Marcus Ren [b][i][u]what were you thinking Marcus? Don’t you know that now that you killed me YOU are hunter vanguard, that is how the dare works bud.[/u][/i][/b][/quote] so technically it is Marcus who should be the vanguard. Also technically you have to [i]accept[/i] the dare, it is how things work.”
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Editado por R Y U K E R リューカー: 9/12/2019 9:34:10 AMThis [i]has[/i] been spoken about a lot but I’ve never said my piece. The dare states any [i]Hunter[/i] (at the time, not at a later date) that kills him becomes the new Hunter Vanguard. This assumes that if another Hunter thought they would fit the role better, the way to supplant him would be to kill him. Even if Uldren does end up being a Hunter, which I expect he will, he wasn’t a Hunter at the time he murdered Cayde. The dare was there to ensure the most capable person of the job was Hunter Vanguard and was an epithet of Cayde’s character and sense of humour. I think the cruel twist of fate that Uldren was revived as a guardian, and likely a Hunter at that, is a nice bit of writing, compared to what we’re used to at least. To make him Hunter vanguard, though, would be too far and would totally undermine the twist. [b]As would leaving it up in the air and never addressing it again, Bungie![/b]
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6 RespuestasEditado por Zizin: 9/11/2019 6:15:55 AMUldren, after being risen, has opted to live a simple quiet life in the tower next to the ramen shop. He now runs a hair salon and goes by the name Karen. [spoiler]For 500 silver, Bungie will now allow you to re-customize your character's look and race. This can be done at the new Karen Sov vendor found behind Hawthorne.[/spoiler]
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Yeah... That's kinda what we've all come to agree on
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1 RespuestaThe Vanguard are not gonna be a thing in D3 so it honestly doesnt matter sadly
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4 Respuestas[i]*ahem*[/i] [spoiler][b][i][u]TANIKS FOR HUNTER VANGUARD[/u][/i][/b][/spoiler]
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uLdReN iS nExT VaNgUaRd, ThE VaNgUaRd DaRe Say what you all want, but it’s called bad storytelling. It’s as lame as “Surprise Mechanics” or Star Wars TLJ “Subverting Expectations”. [spoiler][b][i][u]SHIRO-4 FOR LIFE[/u][/i][/b][/spoiler]
