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8/28/2019 1:03:06 PM
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The one thing people often forget about gun control
Yes I know this is political in nature, but I just wanted to shed some light on the subject.
So about two months ago, I was staying with some friends on their ranch. It was in a small town (pop 17,000) near the border of Missouri and Arkansas. There was only one Walmart, one Starbucks, and one Arby's. All 3 were terrible, trust me.
However, it wasn't the town that intrigued me. It was the area outside the town, specifically along the road to and from Memphis. It was nothing but quiet farmland as far as the eye could see. We were passing only one house every three miles. Ladies and gentlemen, this was Napoleon Dynamite country.
I asked myself, "what if you lived way out here and something goes wrong?" These people lived at least 45 minutes from the nearest 7/11... what could the police do?
These are the people who vote red and buy guns. These people are the demographic no one wants to talk about. These are the people who oppose increased background checks. Unless we can figure out a way to compromise with both sides of the gun control argument, the debate will go nowhere.
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The biggest problem with gun control isn't the need for background checks (which I fully believe in) it's the illegally obtained ones.
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2 RespuestasPersonally for me, I would prefer if someone was mentally stable before I could trust them with a firearm. While my parents were against firearms, I grew up with friends who shot guns for fun, and I joined in on them. I've seen them do extremely stupid shit with loaded firearms, like pointing it at each other, or having their finger on the trigger while posing for pictures, and I'm glad that they are now all trained in handling a firearm now. Many of them are also pro-gun control, and are deeply Republican. I personally am huge on gun control, such as increased background checks and actually training in the proper maintenance, the proper form, storage, and usage of a firearm. I want to ensure that while our society is armed due to the 2nd Amendment, I also don't want to have someone who is mentally unstable/ill running around shooting up kids and stores. The questions I have for those who prefer unrestricted gun ownership are these, since I'm also pro-gun: How many mass shootings committed by those of unsound mind will it take for you to consider meeting up in the middle to discuss the issue that seems to be unique only to the US, and why not just make some concessions? Life isn't fair, and we won't always get everything we want.
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There is no solution that will please everyone, and that goes for everything. The best answer I can see would be the government investing into all the emergency services to improve response time in all these rural locations. Not just police but ambulances and fire trucks to. These people choose to live in these locations because they don’t want to be near big cities, they accept that fire engines and ambulances would be delayed, but happy to use it as an excuse when it comes to police n guns. Plus there would be people there who can justify owning a gun, just not everyone. Even farmers here in England can own guns, many people can tbf it’s just done properly.
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9 RespuestasSure, but a lot of jobs require background checks. Why shouldn't buying frearms?
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29 RespuestasAs tightly controlled as guns are in the UK, our farmers out in the boonies usually have shotguns. If we could find the sensible middle ground, pretty sure you guys could too. /thread.
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9 RespuestasThe “AR” in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.” ... An assault rifle is fully automatic, a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.
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15 Respuestas[quote]Yes I know this is political in nature, but I just wanted to shed some light on the subject. So about two months ago, I was staying with some friends on their ranch. It was in a small town (pop 17,000) near the border of Missouri and Arkansas. There was only one Walmart, one Starbucks, and one Arby's. All 3 were terrible, trust me. However, it wasn't the town that intrigued me. It was the area outside the town, specifically along the road to and from Memphis. It was nothing but quiet farmland as far as the eye could see. We were passing only one house every three miles. Ladies and gentlemen, this was Napoleon Dynamite country. I asked myself, "what if you lived way out here and something goes wrong?" These people lived at least 45 minutes from the nearest 7/11... what could the police do? These are the people who vote red and buy guns. These people are the demographic no one wants to talk about. [b]These are the people who oppose increased background checks[/b]. Unless we can figure out a way to compromise with both sides of the gun control argument, the debate will go nowhere.[/quote] But if they're nice dudes then their backgrounds should be nice too..?
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5 Respuestas[quote]These are the people who vote red and buy guns. These people are the demographic no one wants to talk about. These are the people who oppose increased background checks. Unless we can figure out a way to compromise with both sides of the gun control argument, the debate will go nowhere. [/quote] Agreed....and all but the most anti-gun zealots WANT to do that. I understand that cultural---and practical---value that guns have to people like you describe. The problem is that the GUN LOBBY and the NRA has them so frightened and so indoctrinated to the "Slippery Slope" theory....that they often refuse to listen to any efforts at compromise. Because they see ANY limits to gun ownership as the camel's-nose-under-the-tent that ultimately leads to the abolishment of gun ownership. Which is bullshit, of course. Meanwhile the urban part of the country is being held hostage to their fear and intransigence. Because---just like guns are practical tools of daily life in rural America----they are mainly tools of mayhem and destruction in urban America. ...and the body count continues to rise as ideologues on both sides throw rocks at each other...and try to drown out any reasonable voices in the middle.
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Hrrm, actually never knew this. Thanks for the enlightenment!
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2 RespuestasWhat's with people on this forum and presenting commonplace ideas as novel, personal insights lol
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2 RespuestasOur society is a joke. The gun debate will go nowhere. Why? Because both political parties draw political power from talking about the issue, not solving it. Think about it: both Dems and Reps would loose a huge degree of rhetoric if the problem were actually fixed.
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6 RespuestasWhat's funny is that people seem to think that gun control affects illegally obtained firearms. It doesn't.
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13 RespuestasTo push back on this for the sake of pushing back... So when we fully urbanize, should we get rid of guns?
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38 RespuestasEditado por SexyPiranha: 8/29/2019 4:47:22 AMA little offtopic but this is as good a place for this rant as any. Who are we supposed to trust to make the decision about who is too mentally ill to own a firearm? Or who is a terrorist? Does me thinking I may need a firearm to defend myself or my family in a situation where the rule of law breaks down make me a paranoid and therfor mentally unstable? Does the idea that I may possibly want a firearm to ward off a corrupt establishment, however futile, make me a terrorist? Do I deserve to have my 1st, 2nd and 4th amendment rights violated at the recommendation of a neighbor informing on me like I live in a soviet state? The monopolization of violence is fundamentally about the domestication of man. Are we cattle? Is that how you think of yourselves? I have a fundamentally more noble view of man than that.
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I’d be fine with strict application/license procedures and universal standards for background checks.
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8 RespuestasFrom what I've seen compromising between the 2 sides will just result in a solution that solves nothing. Which has been happening year after year. You need a vote by the people, for the people. The majority rules you either will do nothing, even reducing gun laws or you start implementing laws that are working in other areas of the world. There's no middle ground for the way America views/treats weapons. It would take centuries to actually start to curb the mentality and if gun control did get the majority it would get worse before it got better.
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There is an idea and a process which actually satisfies both ironically. Person A. Never owned, rented, or used a firearm. Person A goes to a gun store. Gun store hands them a pamphlet instructing them on the proper steps. Pamphlet informs them of a firing range where appropriate instructors and marksman training must take place as step 1 or to call and make an appointment. The person goes to the said range as a walk-in or appointment reservation and pays for sampling (tests multiple firearms) as well as instructor charge. Said person is trained, instructed, and given the proper course. Let's say this lasts for 1 week on an appointment basis and allows the person to try the different firearms to see which one suits them the best. The person passes with a marksman medal for a shotgun and pistol, but not rifles lets say. Next test- Psych and police evaluations. They proceed, pass the interviews, and are declared sane and capable or they fail. They choose their models, pays for the gun(s), and goes about to register them. They legally pass the paperwork off to the appropriate clerk and while they are being processed are allowed to utilize them in their home for self-defense. The license has no restrictions on it for ammunition or customization. They get a license in the mail once the paperwork is processed and are now legally able to carry. They also get additional information on the concealed carry and other options available to them based on their evals as well as a discount if they process online themselves for faster processing times. Person B. Person is being harassed and is under threats. A peace officer is summoned and recounts the necessary information on a report as well as information for a potential investigation. Said officer speaks with the person and outlines a defensive variation of firearms course if applicable. Said person is given options of stun weaponry (tasers) or rubberized rounds (we will say small arms) or relinquishes this option. The person says yes to rubberized rounds. They are processed at the appropriate station for temporary status and administered a psych exam for a firearm specification. They legally purchase and undergo safety for these weapons per usual following this. Catch 22- They cannot purchase live fire ammo. Person C. Person claims they are under duress from a former partner who has military training or a suspected mobster. The person has no visible evidence to support such a claim, but all the same, the peace officer responds accordingly. The person leaves the household/moves and buys cheap camera for outside, but wishes for additional defense. Is given normal pamphlet for follow up. The same person moved, but suspicious suspect magically keeps showing up in the picture unannounced. Police interviews and inform them with a simple documented warning. The same officer responds back with updated procedures for getting a temporary firearms license and helps expedite the process. The fact is... like most things... if you air on the side of caution given the situational circumstances? You would find most answers are not difficult to get to.
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The problem isn't compromise. The problem is that neither side will accept a compromise. If the NRA agrees to 15-round magazines, the Brady campaign will demand 10. If the NRA accepts dispensing with AR pattern rifles, the Brady campaign will go after handguns. It's like trench warfare. Neither side will give, neither side trusts the other, and nothing gets done.
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11 Respuestas[quote]Yes I know this is political in nature, but I just wanted to shed some light on the subject. So about two months ago, I was staying with some friends on their ranch. It was in a small town (pop 17,000) near the border of Missouri and Arkansas. There was only one Walmart, one Starbucks, and one Arby's. All 3 were terrible, trust me. However, it wasn't the town that intrigued me. It was the area outside the town, specifically along the road to and from Memphis. It was nothing but quiet farmland as far as the eye could see. We were passing only one house every three miles. Ladies and gentlemen, this was Napoleon Dynamite country. I asked myself, "what if you lived way out here and something goes wrong?" These people lived at least 45 minutes from the nearest 7/11... what could the police do? These are the people who vote red and buy guns. These people are the demographic no one wants to talk about. These are the people who oppose increased background checks. Unless we can figure out a way to compromise with both sides of the gun control argument, the debate will go nowhere.[/quote] Society caters to its lowest 1%. As is a chain been as strong as it’s weakest link. Some people just aren’t mature enough for guns. Fact .
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Well, being that there are no measures in either house of Congress, you can rest assured that crazy people and hate group members can buy all the guns they want.
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19 RespuestasOn the other foot, gun control and gun bans are different things! Pretty sure law abiding farmer Billy Bob Joe would still be able to get his boomstick if we made it harder for people with mental health issues and criminals to legally aquire them!
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Editado por ClothingOptionaI: 8/28/2019 9:24:41 PM20 years or so ago was the first time i'd ever heard of a mass shooting. It was Columbine. In the time since gun control measures have been popping up left and right, and mass shootings have become an epidemic. This tells me that gun control ain't working and was never the problem. Thankfully it's mainly a state issue instead of a federal one. I'm pretty sure Missouri and Arkansas are red states anyway. Shouldn't be much to worry about.
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33 RespuestasYeah, they need guns, but do they really need assault rifles. I'm all for guns, I'll probably eventually get one because I enjoy firing at paper targets at a range, but I really think there should be magazine size restrictions, and that semi and fully auto weapons are a bit unnecessary.
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Or we leave it alone
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6 RespuestasEven in countries where gun control is stricter like Canada and Australia you can still get weapons if you need them to protect you from shit like bears. Not really relevant to the discussion at hand.
