First things first: lose. Not loose. Secondly: I disagree with you most vociferously. edit - how badly do you think Crucible population would drop if they stopped giving out milestones and quests in it? I think the majority of people playing PvP only play it because Bungie forces them into it. I know when I still played the game the only reason I touched Crucible was because I had to. It was one of the reasons I stopped playing. Not the only one, but a major one. And, if it and Gambit weren't forced onto me to the degree the were, I'd probably be playing still.