Think of it like this, the quicker you burn through everything the quicker you will become bored. I watched a streamer preparing for worlds first on Thursday, the guy looked so bored pushing to get to 643, he’s was having zero fun and for what? To have is ego stroked for a few hours before everyone forgot his achievement. That’s not how I like to spend my game time, gaming is supposed to be fun imo.

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Agreed, its a total -blam!-ing joke.In D1 i did the raids every launch day now its too lofty of a power level to attempt. oh the raids out in 3 days after launch hope you guardians leveled up 50 levels with our limited amount of increase drops and rng that can keep giving you the same slot item. ffs. And what really pisses me off is this dick head streamers apparently figured out if they held onto their iron banner bounties and dreaming city bounties they rolled up to higher than 600 after the dlc launched tuesday so they are up in the 630s and 640s so the raid wont be a level handicap for them. the regular players didnt know about that shit, absolute -blam!-ery, -blam!- those "content creator" shitbags and bungo.

Agree. It's funny that Gothalion was complaining leading up to the raid how "unfair" it was that some had saved LW keys, etc and how it wouldn't be a "fair" competition, and yet they're perfectly content and happy with the fact that players who can't play 24/7 after launch are locked out of not just participating in the race, but attempting the raid at all. Raid release day used to be like Christmas for my friends and I. Then everyone took off work for LW only to find that even 10+hour days grinding to get ready wasn't enough to not be power-locked out of boss #1. Here's the cold hard facts. These streamers like Goth, the elite of the elite, don't care about anything but their own communities and their livelihoods. Gothalion said it himself when dismissing the everyday players disappointment in being power-locked out of the first Forge 20 minutes into Black Armory. He also is the one who championed "meaningful infusion" which has us forever at the mercy of Enhancement Cores to actually be able to use the cool drops we have gotten. His quote there was "[we] need to use and wear shitty gear to appreciate when we get good drops". Broman said "it's good that cores bottleneck players while leveling" These are players who are not affected by either. They were both 650 within a day or two. They play for a living and have piles of every material including cores. Another fun fact. They also championed power mattering in PvP. So when you find your OHK abilities don't OHK players like them in Gambit and IB until you hit max power, it's because they wanted another cheap advantage over their competition because being max light and having optimized gear, weapon and perk sets isn't enough. But hey some of us did get a couple weeks at 600 at least before having to go back to grinding. Of course PvP is all set up to let grotesquely high skill players farm the people just trying to have fun with friends or do PvP quests they need to level or get gear like Ace of Spades. But yeah, 2500 elos vs 1100's is totally cool. Season of the Streamer is still going.

I unsubscribed from all of the Destiny streamers and youtubers. Frankly I'm tired of them telling me how i should play, how easy the game is, blah blah blah and that the endgame isnt enough. Bungie struggles finding a balance between casual and hardcore. They started too far in the casual domain, then move way too far into hardcore. I physically cannot play the game 5+ hours a day. I hope Destiny 3 flops hard.

I think slowly the backlash momentum is growing against streamers and rightfully so. Their views only serves their own interest, aka content which they can play 10hrs a day and keep people watching. There is literally no need for a raid to drop 3 days after the new content (i use that term loosely with BA), a few weeks would be perfectly acceptable. Me, you and prob 90% of the community could work with that and dedicate time during that period to getting to a decent PL (if raiding was their desire). These raid release dates only serve one purpose, streamers (those who can play 12hrs a day for 3 days). They draw big numbers for worlds first on Twitch, for Bungie thats exposure and they hope sales. They dont care about joe public or "casuals".

It's one thing to have the raid be incredibly challenging level wise day 1, but it's entirely different when you block out anybody who isn't playing the game 12 hours a day and/or gaming the system to hit max light. Streamers are the only ones who can even compete remotely

All you have to do is read the Twitter account of one of the regular Worlds First Raiders (WFR) - Gigz He openly admits that he had to hold back bounties and exploit the Prime Engrams drops from Knights in the Ascendant Challenge. Tonight's WFR will all be 650 or very damn close to it, as they have ALL exploited the game mechanics. Just so happens that this weeks Ascendant Challenge is the best one to farm primes, do you really think this is a coincidence? Gigz has said that the levelling system is completely broken and he has been forced to exploit it just to stand a chance. https://twitter.com/t1gigz?lang=en Feel free to have a read for yourself, this isn't a sour grapes post but just a post to highlight that the streamers are the ones who openly exploit this game to the max yet receive nothing but praise from Bungie.

I think you would enjoy the game much more when you don't concern yourself with how others are doing. Just enjoy the game at your own pace.

Well, it's understandable from Bungies point of view.. They need to sell their product and the streamers sell it for them. It's all business man, it's all just business. They just want our money, thats it. Want input? grow a big enough fanbase and become an influencer. Can't hate on the streamers either. They saw opportunity, they took it. I'd do the same if I had the energy for it.

I cleared the raid just now with a group of 630s. I basically only had one bounty that bleed through to this week cause I legit forgot (last weeks gambit bounty for my Hunter). It goes to show that Gigz refuses to play the game the proper way and nut up to having to figure out how to deal with hard hitting adds/mechanics. They cheesed the final encouter by ignoring the mechanics. XD What a bunch of pathetic raiders we deem as "the best". They aren't the best. The best can clear a raid witht he absolute minimum gear by executing it perfectly. Bare minimum. They are far from doing these raids at the bare minimum like everyone else do.

Yay look at us!!! Yay we beat the new raid in two hours. Yay we burned through new content in a day. Yay I'm 650. Yay I'm a worthless streamer yay!!!

please stop your pathetic pity party and jealousy, it's not a good look. you seem quite upset that some earn money from playing a game, or they have more time and skill to play a game. that has nothing to do with you, how you play, or what you can accomplish. focus on what you can do, keep your nose out of things that don't concern you.

Thing is, how long would it take for everyone to have a fair chance? To give everyone a fair chance, we'd have to wait like weeks since a lot of people don't play this game hardcore. Lower the light level instead? Then we wouldn't really have much light level to try and rise up to, making the endgame not feel endgame. Even if they did lower the light level (which they would have to lower it by a significant amount for average people to have a chance), the hardcore would still have an edge anyway with how their levels were before the raid came out.

They play more = they get to raid earlier. It's simple, if this game was [i]that[/i] important to you, then you would no-life it, as well.

Yeah I can't stand those fukkers.....they ruined this game from the start. Bungle listened too much to the do nothing fuks.