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Editado por GouldBerg988:
11/12/2018 9:38:15 AM
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Looking At Stats: Lunas Howl & Not forgotten, are they a problem for the game? 2nd Version
So basically I took a bunch of numbers other people already collected and came to this conclusion
Edit: i made a mistake with the initial numbers, the 750000 are the total users the redditer tracked
not the LH-users. This alters the result drastically. Season 4 has an est total of 3.9 mio players.
( https://www.pcgamesinsider.biz/news/67786/destiny-2s-forsaken-expansion-allegedly-tripled-the-games-player-count/ ). So it is legitimate to multiply the LH/NF count with 390/75 (5.2)
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Edit [b]TLDR: Not forgotten is a problem, Lunas Howl is not[/b]
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I altered my conclusion because it seems that 40% of all NF are in fact carries.
I must stress: I don`t think the gun is problematic, but the toxicity and cheating it creates.
I have the utmost respect for players that grind it legitimately, but with so many fake players wielding it, the price is just to high. As long as Bungie can not control DDOSing and other Cheat mechanisms it is bad for the game to have a reward that basically entices such behavior.
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Stats shown quick: (Trust and Ace added to have a base, totals adjusted for tracksize)
HC Total Carries Kill Ranking Usage Ranking
LH 93600 3000 #17 #12
NF 6240 2500 #108 #102
Trust #7 #5
AOS #9 #8
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For us nerds:
1. This reddit poster undertook the task of collecting stats about the amount of LH and NF in the game:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CruciblePlaybook/comments/9l1ekn/total_number_of_players_with_lunas_howl_not/
kudos to him
Est. Amount of LH across all platforms: 93600
Est. Amount of NF across all platforms: 6240
2.Then I looked on ebay to get a picture how big the market for paid carries actually is
At the moment there are 300+ listings for lunas howl carries, each with about 10 already sold,
so there are at least 3000 lunas on (us ebay) alone, which are illegally obtained.
The numbers of NF-listings are about the same 250 with each sold around 10 times.
This clearly shows that the probability to encounter a NF-Cheater is much higher than to encounter an LH-cheater.
LH-users are around 97% legit. NF-users are around 60% legit
Or
From 100 LH-users only 3 got carried
From 100 NF -users 40 got carried
3. PvP-Rankings
https://db.destinytracker.com/d2/en/items/153979396-lunas-howl
Lunas Howl is #17 in kills, #12 in usage
https://db.destinytracker.com/d2/en/items/153979399-not-forgotten
Not Forgotten is #108 in kills, #102 in usage
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Comments?
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#destiny2
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every one is arguing about LH and NF when you can literally get the Ace (good for PvE and PVP) and just rock that with a Mindbenders or any legendary weapons. Boom. Memento Mori is by far unchallenged except Maginificent Howl, that is, if you’re godlike.
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5 RespuestasLet's do a thread about stats. *Starts thread with incorrect figures and stats...*
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I see you got lots of free time. Nice .
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2 RespuestasEditado por TheWagn: 11/9/2018 8:58:53 PMHow could you use NF knowing you paid someone to grind it out for you? Isn't the whole point of the gun to be an achievement? People are pathetic. No true guardian would do that. smh I earned my Luna legit and I might go for NF next season (probably not enough time left this season)
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Both guns equal a win in most situations.
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6 RespuestasEditado por Cal: 11/9/2018 9:59:07 PMComp should have no loss penalty until you reach mythic, So making to Luna's howl is achievable by the entire community but Not forgotten would be for those who want to grind the last few levels. This attitude of devoting your life to get a gun is crazy and to extreme. If you can grind up to Fabled do quest then get your gun and enjoy the game and your life. I currently think luna is achievable. But the questline/comp rules intimidated 90% of my friends list in to not even trying. 2 friends grinded got it. 2 other just did recoveries. Me and a buddy were slow playing it and now feel the pressure to finish. I feel we will since we are winning at a good rate. But my clan didn't even go for it cause of the intimidation of the comp play list. For a weapon so much better than the rest of the sandbox bungie should make it more accessible. Giving the best players in the game stronger weapons than the rest of the community is like giving a marine a gatling gun to go fight retail employees armed with super soakers. That is going to drive more people away to encourage then to play. I can't get any of my clanmmates to play crucible they feel its unfair and don't want to be farmed by Luna users. If the quest was more accessible then maybe they wouldn't have quit on the entire crucible.
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1 RespuestaLuna's Howl and Not Forgotten shouldn't even exist. They are way too strong in PvP and completely unbalanced.
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I got my Not Forgotten legitimately
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1 RespuestaWhile I can appreciate what you have to go through to get these weapons, Imo, they should be limited to competitive playlist only.
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I have serious concerns about the methodology. The more relevant data model would be obtained by looking at how many instances the eBay seller(s) actually sold. Regardless, there have been plenty of carries. That much is true.
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1 RespuestaYo -blam!- the legend rank blocking mida catalyst. Thats the real travesty.
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1 RespuestaThere isn't enough people to play competitive as it currently exists The most "prestigious" award from the crucible and it's being sold on eBay Same thing happened with Redrix's and hardly anybody cares about it now I personally say the community is a problem Too many people taking advantage of others and just affecting the overall life of the game [spoiler]not that bungies free of fault either, the actual title of competitive was misspelled for the longest time[/spoiler]
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1 RespuestaSo here is the thing. Luna's at where its at is pushing it in my mind of an okay requirement for most of the community to think "I can do this with enough work" even getting BS'd through bad matchmaking and cheaters. The problem is with NF... NO REWARDS SHOULD BE PAST RANK 3 THAT ARE NOT COSMETIC ONLY! The reason? Because people will more inclined to pay for carries/cheat for something that is insane to go after. People have lives, wanna make time for other games and not stress out all the time. Its just... not healthy for anyone to have those kind of rewards locked at Legend, even the Mida catalyst... like who uses Mida anywhere anymore? Its because it doesn't have a catalyst anyone can use.
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They are a huge problem
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Anything involving Crucible that isn't exotic is irrelevant to the game. Because Crucible does not matter. And it makes no sense any of you think otherwise.
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8 RespuestasYes. Crucible is a god damn shotgun shitshow at the moment. Any time you aren't killed by a shotgun, its either Telesto, Lunas Howl or Bygones.
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Their usage in the game is not a problem, as the stats show they’re more highly ranked in usage than kills. That said, they offer an incentive to recoveries to use DoS attacks as earning them legit is very difficult. This, as the survey showed, is a bigger problem for Not Forgotten. To Bungie’s credit, the addition of quest steps, requiring earning kills, does make it more of a hassle for recoveries to conduct their “business”, but the rank requirement being so difficult to achieve is why so many will pay for a recovery.
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7 RespuestasI just want to be able to reset my glory rank. It really isn't fair that when I want to play with some of my friends that are more casual, that they have to go against the super sweats in comp (because of glory rank). I'm trying to lower my rank, but trying to lower my rank clearly impacts all my other stats as well. Do the rest of you agree? Should you be able to reset comp rank after a certain threshold? Say, Fabled rank?
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2 RespuestasThe biggest problems with these guns are that it promotes cheating and DDOSing in competitive. Carries or recoveries are annoying but I’d rather lose against them than get my whole house’s internet destroyed for hours.
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5 RespuestasEditado por zJDz: 11/9/2018 10:53:51 PMBungie isn’t going to do anything about it. As long as they are not dosing bungie has more important things to do. Bygones and mindbenders ambition is probably a more effective well rounded loadout on most maps. At the end of the day it’s just a game. Have fun.
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24 RespuestasAs an owner of the Luna's and 2000 glory away from the Not Forgotten: They should NOT exist in the game in the first place. Primary ammo weapons that literally circumvent the established TTK with ease is just dumbfounded. It's worse than making power weapons universally accessable at the beginnings of games, but because only 18'000 (as per your post) have the LH and fewer with the NF, they aren't percieved as a [i]problem[/i]. Simply because their not "meta". "Meta" typically being dictated by weapon usage and not weapon viability (though they aren't mutually exclusive). More people have a Bygones and Dust Rock Blues because their simply more accessible, therefore; they [i]are[/i] the "meta".
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4 RespuestasI don't care about PvP in general because I'm trash but your use of words like [b] illegal[/b] and [b] cheating[/b] is highly inaccurate and subjectively distorted. It's just a game.
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5 RespuestasJust remember it isn’t Uriel’s gift
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2 RespuestasProgression loss drives a lot of that. And luck in matchmaking dictates a lot of [i]that[/i]. Reduce or remove progression loss and you remove a lot of the driving force behind people not even trying to reach it on their own. It would still be points on *win only*, and if they fixed matchmaking even a little bit you'd still have to get to 2100/5500 which would mean still having to climb in the rankings. Carries, recoveries, and DDoSers are only symptoms, the progression loss and trash matchmaking are the actual problem.
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6 RespuestasLuna's howl and NF take quite a while to get, they should be good. Every now and then I see a 6 stack with it in quickplay, but all you gotta do to counter them is flinch them or fight them at range. It's not broken at all. People complaining about how they can't get it, have to realize that anyone can. All it takes is time. There is really no time limit to get these guns, as the quest continues through seasons. In order to be good, you have to hit crits. So if you get constantly killed by a Luna's user, you would probably be constantly killed by the same person if they were using trust.
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