Its simple really. You purposefully neglect to add matchmaking for endgame activities, and no one in your community is willing to help. I have spent weeks now trying to find people to raid with. No one helps. People only want to raid with those who have already completed the raid, seemingly forgetting that they once had to be taught and carried. Clans claim they want to help, but they continually accept you only to raid amongst themselves. They want you to grind clan activities for the experience, but they are just as exclusive when it comes to raiding.
Your community is toxic, and I have spent more time looking for a group to play with rather than actually playing. I continually complain, but no one helps. Your community doesn’t care. You don’t care. You are perfectly happy with virtually no one enjoying the content you claim is the best in the game. This never happened in D1. Hell, I took a year off of D1 and still found people to teach me the final two raids upon my return. I was able to complete each raid in D1 - some on multiple occasions.
What’s more, this post will not be met with concerned, caring, or helpful players; my post with be met with a chorus of “Bye Felicias” and “See you at Resets” and “Git Guds” that betray the toxicity of your community. People here will relish my purported “tears” rather than looking introspectively at their own toxic, awful, and utterly unhelpful behavior.
This is what you want Bungie. Rather than make the game enjoyable so that people leave happy, you make the game practically unplayable because you insist on making activities hard to access and complete unless you’re willing to put up with this toxic community. There’s raid exclusivity, and then there’s virtually complete inaccessibility - only 1.2 percent of players have completed the raid on PS4. I would say that this is unacceptable, but it’s clearly not - your fans continually remind me that the game is working as intended.
Your fans don’t help because of the way you’ve designed the game. There is zero incentive for your players to help others complete the raid. What’s more, they choose not to help because it serves to exclude those who haven’t completed the raid. They have tied their identity and self worth to having completed the raid, so they don’t help.
Your stupid fans are happy about this state of affairs because they somehow conflate “hardcore” and “grinding” and “gamer” with making the endgame content nigh inaccessible. You have to “earn” random rewards in order to “earn” the right to access a service you paid for.
Not only have you made the grind utterly unenjoyable, you’ve made the only content worth doing inaccessible. I really cannot keep this up. Looking for group of people to finish your game has become the most frustrating, time-consuming, and fruitless endeavor I’ve ever attempted to undertake. I’ve completed everything in D2 I care to complete, but for the last raid. I guess I am not entitled to complete that raid. You’ve just lost one more customer. Think about that when you have to offer the game for free to increase your player-base.
nmendez79
Edit: I want to thank everyone who meaningfully responded to my post. I wanted to add that since my comment, Activision started to give away the base game on PC. They also said during an earnings call that D2 wasn’t meeting their expectations. This always happens. I just don’t get it.
In any event, I thought some of your comments were very positive and insightful. I’m still looking for people to run through the raid, so if you’re inclined to run it with me, please feel free to send me a msg. Thanks.
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2 RespuestasAs far as finding a raid party goes. Just tell them you've done it before Then mute your mic as you watch YouTube videos. Fake it till you make it.
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If i go to the fireteam section in the app and i scroll for only a minute i have already found 3 posts to raid last wish and they dont require experience or an emblem. There are plenty if people helping, besides watching a youtube guide goes a long way in explaining the fights. I only make posts for experience because i want quick and smooth runs, if you dont like that i respect that and i suggest you make your own post.
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15 RespuestasEditado por NYC_InfamousNick: 11/3/2018 6:40:04 PMI don't think my comment needs any introduction, because I'm sure you knew this was coming. [b]Here we go:[/b] 1: [quote]You purposefully neglect to add matchmaking for endgame activities, and no one in your community is willing to help. [/quote] Matchmaking in Destiny has always been a big gripe for the community. It's hard to skill-matchmake for a loot game when there are a lot of RNG factors involved, on top of communication issues. Despite what people may think, at some point there is a margin where players who don't talk vs those who do, will lose. This goes for both PvE and PvP activities, but is mainly focused on PvP matchmaking. Mechanics can get you so far, and sometimes you need a team who can play with you rather than compete against you. But mechanics are a big part, so the majority of players won't see that margin unless they watch streamers or play really well. On the PvE side, it's gotten to the point of no return for Nightfalls, Raids, etc... Bungie have indirectly and directly acknowledged their lack of desire to implement matchmaking for endgame. If players want to find others, LFG's exist and Bungie will hear no more of the matter, apparently. Sucks IMO, but it is what it is. 2: [quote]my post with be met with a chorus of “Bye Felicias” and “See you at Resets” and “Git Guds” that betray the toxicity of your community. People here will relish my purported “tears” rather than looking introspectively at their own toxic, awful, and utterly unhelpful behavior.[/quote] If you're looking on the forums for a non-toxic/helpful environment, you're gonna have a hard time finding it. People here are coming from the game to express their discontent, and they'll find ways to divert it to others like yourself. If you make a post that does not contain aggressive criticism toward Bungie, and say "I'm leaving" you're gonna get bashed. It's what I've noticed since I started on the forums a few months back. 3: [quote]Your community doesn’t care. You don’t care. You are perfectly happy with virtually no one enjoying the content you claim is the best in the game. This never happened in D1.[/quote] Yes it did. You, like many other people, had a unique experience. As long as the Destiny franchise has existed, people find ways to exclude others. D1 was less team-focused, so endgame activities were feasibly completed by a smaller team, allowing for easier carries and clutches. D2 throws that in the garbage can, so if you're worse than your teammates by a noticeable margin, it'll show and you'll get discarded quickly. This creates the elitist attitude you see frequently. There are even elitists among the elitists, if you can picture that. I had [b]five[/b] different raid groups all relate to having raided with one exceptional player who was also exceptionally aggressive, and tolerated nothing short of perfection from teammates. 4: [quote]Your fans don’t help because of the way you’ve designed the game. There is zero incentive for your players to help others complete the raid. What’s more, they choose not to help because it serves to exclude those who haven’t completed the raid. They have tied their identity and self worth to having completed the raid, so they don’t help. Your stupid fans are happy about this state of affairs because they somehow conflate “hardcore” and “grinding” and “gamer” with making the endgame content nigh inaccessible. You have to “earn” random rewards in order to “earn” the right to access a service you paid for.[/quote] [i]This is what really irks me[/i]. You claim to know the mindset of thousands of different people because of you've spent a some time getting upset at a select group of other players behavior, and then go on a forum to insult people because now you're mad. That's hypocrisy if I've ever seen it. I don't owe you anything, and neither does Bungie. I paid my $60 for the same game with mechanics that have existed all the way back in D1. You didn't get a reward for helping people then, and you still don't now. I still did though. But not everyone want to spend too much time, and [b]raids take really -blam!-ing long when your team doesn't know what they're doing[/b]. [u]People still don't watch guide videos beforehand, they still don't gear-up, they still don't ask questions when they don't understand something[/u]. It's really -blam!-ing frustrating to hear "you're toxic" after a 5-6 hour attempt repeating the same thing over and over again and leaving. So you grow thick skin and stop being so tolerant. 50 tries turns to 5, 5 hours turns to 50 minutes, and "experience" turns to completions. You know what you paid for, because it's the same thing with a new coat of paint every damn DLC. You grind for gear for a few weeks, practice with it and get comfortable, then take on the harder content for better stuff. Don't accuse me or anyone else of being uncaring when I have an assortment of players who are not skilled enough at gameplay or mechanics lining up to call me a prick because I want people who are at my skill tier to play with. I went into raids with full assortment of knowledge beyond even what those with completions had, both in D1 and D2. If I had to have someone teach me too many mechanics in the raid, I wasn't doing a raid. I was learning from a guide that was readily available to me, or teaching myself and others like I did on day 1 of The Whisper. Now while the better half of this is me berating you for your opinions, I do hope that you bother to read this at all. This may not be the game for you, and that's understandable. But it's unfair to resort to ad hominem attacks because of it.
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1 RespuestaI do agree about the community. Having come from warframe on pc where text chat is very active, even in just strike activities, to destiny 2 where no one chats at all since I started playing forsaken when it released, even clan chat is pretty much non existent. For a game that is all about it’s community Destiny is very lacking in this department. There are obviously good people here but unfortunately it’s the bad ones that are vocal. It’s a bit like being in a big city, you’re surrounded by people but feel so alone. (Heavy I know)
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100% Agree.
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90 minutes of applause , 100% agree
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This is indeed one of the most anti social ,social game i have come across. There are clans that would help you but there are more who wont bother if you dont have the requirements that they think you should have. Bungie supports this kind of behavior, a good example was that world first completion crap, this was done for no- lifers like those streamers and gave us a hint for who this dlc was made for. Other players tap in to this kind of mentality and think that it is cool to be an elitised douce bag. As i said there are those who would help you but there are more who dont care if you never ever set a foot in the raid . Its sad but its the reality shaped by Bungie who refuses to ad common features like optional matchmaking into there game and therefore exclude a lot of players from experienceing endgame content. Cheers.
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Well said. If only Bungie were willing to listen...
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1 RespuestaI have to agree with what you’ve said. I will say not the entire community is toxic. There are certain people who live on these forums always being toxic and providing 0 constructive feedback. The list of known issues is a game from a AAA developer is just unacceptable in my opinion. With the pages of issues and the excessive time to address issues they should be some low level indie game developer. Pvp in this game is complete trash. There is very little skill used a large chuck of players run around with point and shoot. For a game that wants so much Pvp involved it should be standard to have dedicated servers but Bungie is greedy. The rewards and gambling with your time leaves people with bad RNG feeling burnt out and unmotivated after a period of time due to receiving little to no rewards for their investment. I could go on and on with the issues. I’m still playing since I have the annual pass to get my $ worth. I will mostly only do things I enjoy in the game. As for clans I am an admin it’s difficult to be helping everyone because most of fireteam limits and playing the game with friends. If I helped everyone I wouldn’t get my own stuff done. When joining a clan those new members also need to reach out and communicate with other members. Set up times to do activities. I see people join our clan and leave a few hours later because people didn’t drop what they were doing to help instantly. People have to at least have some patience and put forth effort themselves. I can guarantee this I will never purchase another product from Bungie after this annual pass is over since I own it. There will be a zero Bungie tolerance in my household because they burnt their bridges with D1 and D2. All out of chances.
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99% of the toxicity in this game comes from PvP. Considering PvP is about 10% of the content not sure why it's hard to find a new clan or use lfg for end game content. Raids are organized and usually require microphones. Seems like this is mainly just a console issue with PS4. I agree that servers need some assistance especially with the major influx of new players but if you don't like the community you are apart of take a break from the game or find new people to play with. My last clan dissolved because of so many inactive and toxic players. We moved on and I run the raid at least once a week now with a new clan and a new discord.
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2 RespuestasEditado por TheShadow-cali: 11/3/2018 3:49:37 PMDude, you didn't even scratch the service on what's wrong with this entire game and not even I can come close to explaining what's actually wrong and I'm good at it lol. Yeah, yeah I know. " I'm a troll" but you guys that say that make it way too easy lol. This is what you get when a stupid "community summit" is formed with a bunch of sellouts. Not hard to get streamers to be puppets when Activision showers them with gifts. The company doesn't even put the effort into creating updates to fix the overwhelming issues in the game and if they change something it takes an entire year or more so they can use it as bait to sell the next big thing. I can't believe how barebone the loot system is in this entire game 4 years later especially when it comes to the vendors. 14 months into the game people and when you look at D1 inventory for the vendors it's like they were robbed in D2, selling what's left before they go out of business. [spoiler]The number of things rigged in this game with cheap mechanics that Gambit alone has a huge list and that is just one event. The lag in this entire game Clans are a joke, they are only good for power engrams knowing most clans just invite you and you never hear from them again. Guided games is a joke. They still refuse to add optional matchmaking to Nightfall even though that said they attempted to add it in D1 but never heard anything about it again. Majority of the bounties in this game is for nothing but material as if there isn't enough of it as it is that I'm like, umm, where is the loot? PvP is a mess and the nerfing Bungie said they wouldn't be doing is starting up. Matchmaking for PvP? LMFAO, need I say more?[/spoiler] The only thing keeping me playing this game at this point is to level up my Guardians, and to check out the new raid. As far as incentive goes Bungie literally killed that in D2. This is supposed to be a loot and shoot and it's half of what it should be 4 years later into the game. Bungie had 3 years to work on this and they are not even close to where the game should be that it's turned into a get me by with little effort or no real effort at all creating decent content. The only thing this game has going for it at this point is dreaming city and that will only last so long without a decent loot system to give games something to chase other than a waste of time grinding for bounties.
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4 RespuestasAccording to my PSN, around only 12% of all registered D2 owners have completed the Forsaken campaign on PS4. I'd wager a small fraction of those players actually raid. And an even smaller fraction of those players are people willing to raid with anyone. PlayStation usually has higher playerbase than other systems. So Xbox and PC may be lower, I can't really say. The endgame is only for the hardcore and elite only. It's no wonder why it's hard to raid when nobody is buying expansion lol. That being said. You just gotta learn to make friends, man. Friendgame is endgame in the Destiny Franchise.
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@nmendez79 I have the same experience you have had. Everything your said has happened to me.
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29 RespuestasEditado por 4GiRLH45N0N4M3: 11/3/2018 9:01:25 AMLet’s also mention that all the new supers that where advertised as part of the Forsaken DLC. Hey guys we got 9 new supers coming in the DLC but we aren’t going to tell you that you only get to choose one at first. And when you want to get the other two there will be absolutely nothing in the game clearly outlining what needs to be done in order to get them. And should you find out what needs to be done it will be locked behind an activity that requires a fireteam to do oh and to make things even more awesome for you guys we will make the drop for your new super complete RNG. Hey you did 4 top tier Blind Well along with making it heroic aww shucks to bad well maybe next time. I literally did 3 Tier 1, 8 tier 2 & about 4 Tier 3 Blind Well events before it dropped. I get it these things should be earned but instead of locking it behind secrecy like how you did with the XP throttling that you got caught doing just be upfront with it. The fact that they are locked behind RNG on some baked Court Of Oryx event should show you EXACTLY how lazy the greedy ***holes at Bungie really are. This game has gone downhill. Hey thanks for all the hundreds of dollars you guys spent on our games over the years to pay you back we will give you bounties to get bright dust just to show you how generous we here at Bungie can be.
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I'm also leaving. My game just finished uninstalling. I'm sick of trying to play competitive for Luna's Howl and either the game is laggy or my teammates suck. I'm Audi 5000. Later Bungie. You suck
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7 RespuestasBye Feleicia. See you next week after you git gud. :P Damn, now hat I have that off my chest... Your complaint lies with the community itself. If I were capable, I'd be more than willing to spend the time to help you in the Raid. That's the type of thing I enjoy if I am capable of doing so. If you were to look at how many Raid completions I have, you'd understand that we are in the same boat though. If you think you are being met with toxic players while trying to get into the Raid... I would be willing to bet the toxicity level would go up a thousand percent if they actually attempted matchmaking for the Raid. As much as I would like to run it, no way would I attempt it with a bunch of randoms through mm. That is just asking for a bad time. Now... I am on an extended business trip and my internet is pretty crappy. I will be back home a few days prior to Christmas though. At that point, I will be around for a month or so. I have a guy I play with pretty regularly who has yet to attempt a Raid run. I would be more than happy to try and get something set up at some point. My knowledge of the Raid is only from 4 screens set up in my living room to watch the entirety of the first completed run. I watched multiple teams from the moment it dropped until the completion was confirmed and The Corrupted was open for me to jump into. In other words, I at least understand the basics of each section. I know things have changed, so I need to watch some vids, but... Take a break from the game for a while (if you need) and think about the offer. Hell, I wouldn't necessarily expect to make a completion on the first try, but I would expect to have a lot of fun in the process. If you truly feel that you are finished and ready to move on... Enjoy whatever game you decide to play. :)
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As a follow up to what Manslave said, I believe I’m who he was referring to. I would be more than happy to make a run at it. If we can get a day in order, I’m willing to bet we have some Clanmates that are down to help. Is it just the new Raid or do you need clears of the older ones as well?
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i don't see your side of the story dude :P now the first game i would've seen your side of the story because there isn't anything to do
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2 RespuestasIt’s worth nothing that Rise of Iron strikes normally dropped gear capped at 365- only [b]35 from the level cap[/b]. In addition heroic bosses could drop strike specific gear and exotics at higher light levels. [b]you were raid ready[/b]. Destiny 2 currently only drops gear at 500 from Normal sources. That’s a 100 power level difference. Not within end game range. TLDR- the end game is much slower in D2 compared with D1.
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Although I found a clan that is actually helpful, I 100% agree. Before I was I in my clan I couldn't get shit done and I waz running so far behind cause I work a lot of hours during the week.
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Sorry but if you’re a solo player why do you want to do a raid? It requires a LOT of communication. It’s honestly so easy to find a team I don’t understand your logic.
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Editado por PhEnOm: 11/3/2018 6:25:24 PMIf you're on playstation 4 send me a pm and i promise you you will get it done. I've already helped a lot of people completing it and knew how to play it very good just after my 3rd run. About Bungie, i agree them being a complete failure and they have no clue about what a game needs to be really good. You're also right about most players on lfg, as a simple look to there will show you all the scrubs. But, as said, i'm very experienced and willing to help. I'm no streamer, i get nothing from it, but still always out to help. Not only because, but the more as i really liked your post, as it's pretty much spot on. So as said, hmu and we get it done ,) I've already helped a deaf guy through it, so it shouldn't be a big deal^^
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Splitting pvp and pve would solve most of games balance problems. Bungie has lost the pvp war to games like fortnite, pubg, and black ops. Trying to murder the one good thing they have going for the franchise, pve, with nerfs brought on because pvp players and somehow bungie expect a loot shooter to have balanced pvp is beyond me. You don't design a game with space magic and guns and expect pvp to be anything but an afterthought with some neat things to play with. Treating it like it's a well balanced competitive game like cod is laughable and a neverending request for nerfs and it always will be. Look at how d1 went throughout its lifecycle and you will see that pvp was a resource glutton for rebalancing everything. D2 made bungie decide to take the "smart" approach of deleting random rolls off weapons to try to balance pvp, which led to over 90% of playerbase quitting game inside of first month including me who played d1 for entire lifecycle of the game. Pvp is quite literally all pro players moving to the next meta weapon set each rebalance and this by itself should prove just adding new stuff to pve and having pvp as the afterthought would change the meta of pvp and result in same thing without the resource waste. Randomly changing the meta would probably make the hardcore pvp players happy because that's effectively all the rebalances that take half a year to do accomplish anyway. The raids on 1 were better because as other people stated one persons failure wasn't almost a guaranteed wipe. Heck I was even able to 3 man flawless Crota while it was still the relevant light raid, but d2 made raids stupid because you are only as good as your worst person. Some people suck at shooters but still want to play and that is a fact. They should not be excluded because they suck and the veterans shouldn't be screwed or forced to party up with other veterans to avoid dealing with the problem. They need to make a normal raid that is feasible without a full fireteam or a major strip down of mechanics. They can easily use the model for their current system of raids as the hard mode and give some unique cosmetics or stuff like that so people can show off that they beat it. No one likes losing and unfortunately the raids are designed to cause inexperienced people to directly be cause of reset with a lovely kill everyone timer that effectively is a shame on me marker. D1 only excluded people because they didn't have gjallarhorn, but d2 is toxic because it excludes them for sucking. You can get a gjallarhorn, but some people will never be able to do much more than point and shoot and as such they can't really fix that now can they?
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1 RespuestaWe can't even get matchmaking for Nightfalls. Do they not understand that solo players like myself would grind tje hell out of nightfalls if they did this? There would be a significant spike in participation.
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In my experience with D1, toxicity is always at its worst in the first couple months. You don't get the more helpful people in the majority until later