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Editado por TheMeddler777: 10/9/2018 1:30:16 PM
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Simple poll. How many think comp should be doable for non top tier solo players?

yes: competitive playlist and glory ranking advancement should be doable as a solo player

2211

no: competitive playlist should require a team for successful advancement

641

Star the post regardless your opinion. I want as accurate a poll as I can get. [spoiler]I think the majority of solo players have made their point on the forum that bungie never reads, so if you disagree say why[/spoiler] I personally think that the current system requires no skill at all. I think the only way to really judge skill is to do so solo, and that to accurately judge someone's skill we need to remove the team aspect and bring back assists as a separate bracket. But that's just me. What do you think? [spoiler]I don't think that we should only have solo for Comp, but we need a change[/spoiler] Edit: I've had to edit once already because of technicality, so let's put this fair, explain your vote regardless of what you choose. I personally do not think one skill can be judged in a team with the current mechanics in place. Comp is based on skill, so why is that not reflected? Reiteration: the number of replies and stars is what it takes for bungie to see this. Just polls taken won't be enough. Even if you don't have a comment please star it if you want them to see it. Thanks [spoiler] yay more edits[/spoiler] Edit number 3: it's really sad I have to say this but there are children amongst us who can't keep thing mature. I will tolerate disrespect towards myself to an extent. I will not tolerate it towards other members. Be respectful or don't be here at all. [spoiler]any day now bungie[/spoiler] Edit number 4: I'm not a new player by any means. I've been playing destiny for a while. I've seen some ups, some downs, quite a bit of it all. Don't come in here expecting me to not know what I'm talking about. Don't do that to yourself. [spoiler]let's change it up a bit from edits[/spoiler] Can anyone tell me why comp is meant for teams?[spoiler]last edit I do believe[/spoiler] The majority of comments that don't involve point changes is simply have a solo que. Put solos against solos, and teams against teams. Thanks for playing guys. It's been fun

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  • You said :Doable for non top tier Solo players .. Well, they weren't always a top tier Solo player ...

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  • They have that, it’s called rumble. Also no, don’t change anything.

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    • Fun little observation... Most of the people arguing never play rumble.

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      • You know what? I am not a top tier player, but soon I will have luna. I have a very very VERY bad time trying to complete the 100 precision hc step, because in fabled and near fabled the games are sweaty and shotgunning is prevalent, but now that I reached Fabled, I don't care about stats but only for the kills. I soloed many matches to reach 2100, but my teammates were triggerdead, and it was obvious that they either don't do crucible or they can't win most of they 1v1s. The easiest way was to have a full team with good crucible players, and with winstreaks you climp very fast. Success and winning is rewarding. Find a fireteam is the way. Also many times when I was solo my team consisted of new players (what are they doing in comp?) So, why people who couldn't even complete the Ace of Spades Quest, are complaining about comp? Not every single reward is for everyone, I don't raid for example. Luna is a long frustrating toxic grind, but winners get rewarded, and no one is being carried except of course the recoveries and the paid carries.

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        • GLORY. RUMBLE. Bungie. What the -blam!- are you doing? Where is freelance? Why do you keep putting me against teams? Why am I getting level 20s and 30s on my team? Competitive is such trash for solo players. Sure there's no loss streak but there -blam!-ing might as well be because when you win one game you lose 8 others and lose more points than you gained.

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        • Only if trials comes back.

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        • Idk but I just want countdown removed from comp. -blam!- that game mode.

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          • Oh my... The poll budged. Look at you teamsters go

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          • Not gonna name and shame, but I love it when people prove my point that almost every person that says they got the luna and beyond solo had a team for a majority of the matches. If you teamed a few out of the bunch that's fine. But when every win you had was with another player... Really?

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            • Editado por TheCyo: 10/7/2018 8:21:12 AM
              It's about fairness and actually earning your rewards. As the matchmaker is currently setup, teams basically get default wins every game. I've now often come across ppl in quickplay with Lunas I would have never expected to have them. I also understand ppl arguing against changes. You do not want to lose your entitlements. Nobody wants. But still they are not fair.

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              • its a no brainer: competitive doesn't mean you get matched against the best of the best, it says you are competing with others to form a ranking list. (basically every game works like this.. football, tennis, etc..) once you are good enough, you raise in the ranks.. comparable with football, pub crew -> local Football team -> regional football team -> national football team.. etc..

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                • Still waiting for the poll to change... Unless solos have teamsters beat... Huh

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                • It should be available solo, but the whole point of comp ranks is that it’s for top tier players.

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                  • Nearly in every game competitive is a ruthless place. You can solo queue at your own risk but it's not advised. Same with this, I personally love top tier rewards locked behind for top tier players. However I do also agree the lesser players should get a knock off version of the gun. I was perfectly fine with quickplay players getting the Redrix Broadsword, Maybe next season the scrubs can get a Luna's Cry and a Been Forgotten quickplay version of it.

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                  • It’s already doable solo up to Fabled by above average players given a few weeks time. Even T1-T3 players can only really get up to mythic though as it’d take beyond exceptional skill, perfect play in as literal a sense as it could be, and the devil’s own luck. Any further changes to it in terms of Glory progression would be to help average players have a realistic chance at Luna (still no chance at Not Forgotten). If a change like that was to be made it would need to be at least as long a grind as Redrix if not more. Also if it doesn’t take skill in a team, why are some teams capable of grinding to legend while others are struggling to get fabled?

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                  • It’s funny, you made a comment above about skill, you’re talking about comp in its current state doesn’t take skill and that skill should be rewarded but YET, you’re talking about a PVP where weapons and armor matter more than skill? This shit has me dying LMAO Skill can be reflected bye using the EXACT same guns with the EXACT same perks a.k.a. CoD for example, you have an auto rifle and the other guy/team has the EXACT same auto rifle, so in that scenario SKILL would conquer. Destiny is and ALWAYS will be about weapons/perks and armor/perks. Trying to make this sound like a purely skillful competition is a joke. It literally has no place. Now, this isn’t to say that people who don’t have skills, I’ve seen some cold people playing crucible and are no joke, but again, we’re talking about perks on weapons and armor. LMFAO

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                    • Glory should be performance-based scoring Playing objectives should be the primary source of progression. Ups should be worth more than downs And solo queue should be 100% a thing

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                    • Editado por ghostx78x: 10/7/2018 6:42:25 AM
                      Why do you people complain about playing against teams? why would you not play comp on a team? Have you ever even played crucible solo? Randoms are clueless monkeys with potatoes for thumbs half of the time that literally have no idea what an objective is and they rage quit in the first 10 seconds of the game because they got killed. If people are complaining that comp is too hard to get Luna's solo they are flat out wrong- they just are not good enough. Im sick and tired of seeing these same shitposts everyday made by people that refuse to believe they just need to play better. It is not the game's fault or anybody else's but their own. Its not the lag, its not the meta, its not the matchmaking. They just suck. The sooner they accept that the sooner they may actually start to play better. I know thats what did it for me.

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                      • Editado por BarretOblivion: 10/7/2018 6:32:04 AM
                        Its comp! Of course solo players should be able to find sucess in it. Comp in every game I have ever played but Destiny, it always looked at YOUR skill. Not your teams, but your own. It factors in your score and puts against a team of similar skilled opponents and gives you a team of similar skilled teammates as well. You win matches to improve and get a more accurate 50/50 win rate to when you finally do, you can see where you are at and push yourself to get better at the game. This isn't about "a team working together" but solo players going out of their way to work together with their teammates to win. Teamwork is needed but teamwork of each person, not built upon experience with one another. I am perfectly fine with the idea that 2 people can participate in comp together, to me that is fine. However, the moment you go over 50% of the teams can all be a party playing together, you have tipped the scales too far in their favor. Here another real problem behind comp: Its not competitively matchmade for you. Let me explain: With patch 2.0.0.0 the entire game changed, naturally Bungie should have done a hard reset on player's algorithms they use to matchmake players skill. (Whatever they use) Give everyone a fresh start, but after a certain amount of games you are slowing place into your brackets. In competitive, you should have 10 matches where there is basically no matchmaking for you for the first 5 matches lets say. Those first 5 matches are used to determine what they may believe your skill level is based on your performance in those matches. Then the next 5 to precisely nail you down what division of skill you should be in as a starting point. After that, you play matches post 10 matches to gain ranks to climb to higher ranks. The further you go up, the harder the opponents but the better matchmade teammates you get. You rise, you fall its all to get you with about a 50% win rate because you are played with equally [b]SKILLED OPPONENTS. NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE LOSING BECAUSE OF HORRIBLE TEAMMATES.[/b] So lets say you are an above average player. You win 7/10 placement matches. You should be ranked at I would say close to "fabled" and from there you work your way up. Legend players can only hit that rank from ranking up from a lower rank. You have to prove yourself by winning matches in the above average player matches to get to legend. Finally, if Bungie were to make this an actual system, they need to add competitive exclusive gear outside of ranking up. From playing matches. Make it worth playing, not only worth it when you rank up.

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                        • Competitive playlist is for fireteam vs. fireteam. Going in solo is silly. The problem all boils down to exclusive loot. Therefore, put that loot behind a Rumble competitive playlist as well. Problem solved.

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                          • Editado por wakko: 10/6/2018 7:52:21 PM
                            All this because of the Luna’s howl? Really? You don’t see me saying “Bungie put 1000 voices obtainable for solo players because I can’t solo the raid” geez

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                            • Hopefully trials will be 3v3 elimination again

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                            • I know this will come off as elitist, but there's no other way to say it. Luna's Howl and Redrix's Claymore are/were meant for the top-tier players. There will obviously be a few potatoes who have one or both of them and top-tier players who have neither, but that's beside the point. If you're going to repeatedly and willingly go into Competitive solo in the knowledge that you'll be playing against stacks without communication on your side, then you should really have to be top-tier in order to get anywhere fast(at least, beyond a certain point where you stop being light years ahead of the average player at that rank). Don't get me wrong, I think Comp should be more accessible to solo players, I just don't think it should be accessible to everyone or else that defeats the nature of "competitive" in a completely different way.

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                              • It is...

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                                • It should just not let you lose glory. Rank in this game is kinda pointless. You don’t get a cool medal to show off at all time. You don’t get exclusives. Right now it’s just a pain in the way of people Trynna finish quests... [spoiler]And before anyone comments I can guarantee you guys I’m better than you so don’t try and hate[/spoiler]

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                                  • Still waiting for the rush of circle... Team shooters to come and Jack up the current status of the poll... Have fun with that

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