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9/8/2018 6:14:34 AM
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We've gotta talk about sleeper in gambit.
Sleeper stimulant.. is a problem in gambit. Seriously, whether its a sleeper invader one shotting everyone in existence.. or its a team of sleepers melting the invader immediately. You see the problem is, it one shots to the body. It needs to be stopped, guys. Im not asking for a big nerf, or a nerf to lower its viability in pve. I want something that specifically effects pvp.
[b]Suggestion[/b]
- Reduce damage to the body
+ Increase precision damage
Small change that allows the sleeper to not be used so often by players who simply dont have the skill to deal with invaders. Its too easy to kill invaders with a sleeper stimulant, and its too easy to kill as an invader with it.
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Sleeper Simulant is a crutch in Gambit. Not so much in Crucible but specifically for Gambit it’s a crutch.
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6 RespuestasHow about we ban the gun fron the game mode
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Gambit is primarily a PvE mode and that's where the Sleeper is king. Gambit just uses the PvP damage and health values with a small amount of actual PvP. It's not that Sleeper is and of itself OP in PvP, its just that you get such a large abundance of heavy ammo for it due to being a PvE mode. If Bungie were to do anything to it it should be a reduction to the amount of ammo that you pick up and can carry in Gambit or adjust how much heavy ammo drops of enemies. But since you like biased polls... you're right, I do like free kills so please sit still while I line you up and take your motes
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Editado por DiZ: 9/10/2018 3:10:57 PMI'd rather not see Sleeper nerfed, just give it the same treatment as Whisper in Gambit. Make it so that ammo can't be grabbed for it off of the respawning crate near the bank. Restricitng its usage in this specific gamemode would be a better alternative than an outright nerf or balancing change, if anything were to actually be done about it. So instead of just having guaranteed ammo for free, make it so you can only rely on RNG ammo drops to scavenge. Or use an entirely different weapon altogether.
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If only this game had a weapon called the sleeper STIMulant, which it does not. :P As i mentoined in another thread, no. Bungie doesn't need to start nerfing shit because of pvp whiners. If they nerf sleeper, people will just move to one shot snipers and you'll be whining for nerfs on those. Next will be corner shotgunners and sword users. Then whatever weapon they move onto next. That's how we ended up with a shitty sidearm meta in D1. They nerfed everything else so much SIDEARMS were the best weapon. You either never played d1 or you already forgot how crappy that was.
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Editado por Jake of Trades: 9/10/2018 2:10:09 AMIt’s powerful but as long as I’m close to my target I can shut them down with melees. I like actually having to think about how to attack my target and live rather than just running straight in with a shotgun
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6 RespuestasYou do realize whisper is one hit kill too even if you body shot someone should we nerf that too how about tracking rockets cause should be able to get a rocket or 2 off before sleeper charges. Oh how about all linear fusion rifles they one hit kills too let’s nerf them too most of them have a faster charge time than sleeper too. Like ppl have said it’s a power weapon they all should one hit you.
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2 RespuestasWe don't NEED to talk about it, You just WANT to talk about it (¬w¬)
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41 RespuestasNice stupid ass poll, how about get good, or just use one yourself, crazy theory but that means you can take down the invader just as easily as he can you!! It's amazing
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OP, do you have it? Then use it. Dont have it? get it. Stop bitching :)
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Editado por Specimen_Seven: 9/9/2018 11:48:30 PMI absolutely concur. I don’t normally want to see nerfs but currently I feel like Sleeper provides an almost insurmountable advantage. If you don’t have one and are invaded, you are forced to either hide, or hope your opponent doesn’t see you first. I don’t think people should be forced to look elsewhere, but it seems counterproductive to have one weapon be almost required for a win.
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i just need the gun to not one shot me across the map. As it is right now there is simply no counter play to the sleeper. if someone is invading you need to predict from where and hopefully get the jump on them if not and you peek out you are dead. the invader being able to track you across the map is a huge factor in this as well. The sleeper need to be looked at for gambit.
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What I don't understand is how the enemy team always seems to have an unlimited supply of heavy ammo. They invade and shoot off like 6 sleeper rounds, we invade and they still shooting off sleeper.. like damn, I'm lucky if I can get 1 box of heavy let alone the one that spawns every minute.. da hell??
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I 100% agree with this. I've been in super before as a titan and gotten 1 shot to the leg. It's pretty friggin ridiculous.
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1 RespuestaEditado por Don: 9/9/2018 9:32:49 AMHas anyone seen a fireteam of Sleeper Stimulant touch the Primevil? The bar for it's health vanishes.
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2 RespuestasPlay smarter. I’ve wrecked entire teams just using my Ikelos SG and Ace Of Spades. A way to counter sleeper is by being aware of where the invader is. Hide and use cover. That’s how I’ve learnt to deal with it
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I just think it should not one shot the body at any range, that is all. People swear that it takes skill to just lead your shots. It really doesn't, it's a pretty simple mechanic to understand. I believe that if you can 1HK body shot from across the map, then it should be a nerf to range, because currently this gun makes sniper rifles look like ass.
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2 RespuestasIt already got a damage nerf, but an inventory size buff. Anything you do to it in PvP will affect in PvE which is why they can't just go around nerfing stuff for the sake of PvP balancing. Blame Bungie for being idiots and not separating sandbox tuning.
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I should know about cheap. I work as a shoe salesman,and married a useless red head.
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2 RespuestasIt's honestly the most over powered thing in the since launch... In pvp it's level ground but invading is so stacked to the invader
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... it's simulant...
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This is exactly why I ran sleeper in PVP, especially mayhem. Thing is a killing machine and people are now just seeing how great it is at taking out other guardians.
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1 RespuestaOr just play smart.. Use your class abilities to give you a leg up. Invis, Bubble, Wall any super... Teamshooting.. Set traps on the enimies heavy when invading.. Telesto, Bubble it with St. 14 Helm.. Solar nades or spikes. Don't camp the spawn. Spreadout.
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Or just play smart.. Use your class abilities to give you a leg up. Invis, Bubble, Wall any super... Teamshooting.. Set traps on the enimies heavy when invading.. Telesto, Bubble it with St. 14 Helm.. Solar nades or spikes. Don't camp the spawn. Spreadout.
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Or just play smart.. Use your class abilities to give you a leg up. Invis, Bubble, Wall any super... Teamshooting.. Set traps on the enimies heavy when invading.. Telesto, Bubble it with St. 14 Helm.. Solar nades or spikes. Don't camp the spawn. Spreadout.
