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Its funny how the Claymore owners are crying about "crybabies" crying over not having it. Sure is a lot of crying....

[quote]We all just got royally shafted since people will now be able to get essentially a redrixs claymore only it's called redrixs broadsword. At least we get a cool -blam!-ing emblem right???? If the emblem is animated I'd be less upset but chances are it wont be.[/quote] I'm Probably not going to get the broadsword either. So calm down. Most of us don't care. We're here for the PVE

Makes my 60+ hours of grinding my redrix claymore seem utterly pointless now. Thanks to thr cry babies. A little more effort and we will have D1 year 3 all over again. Good job community. If you can't be bothered to grind for something you shouldn't have access too it, simple as that. I'm all for competitive changes to make it slightly easier for people. But don't just -blam!-ing hand it out to them. I enjoy PVE and PVP but end of the day, if you don't play PVP. You don't deserve a weapon like redrixs.

[quote]We all just got royally shafted since people will now be able to get essentially a redrixs claymore only it's called redrixs broadsword. At least we get a cool -blam!-ing emblem right???? If the emblem is animated I'd be less upset but chances are it wont be.[/quote] Yay! Ddossers and pupstompers get the shaft for a change? Sounds like a good thing in my book

I think it is unrealistic to expect Bungie to put the emotions of the 9k players who have the Claymore over the majority who don't. Commercially Bungie need pvp to be vastly improved on what it has been to date in D2. Not sure Claymore owners are being screwed though. It will be viable in Y2 so not replaced and as I understand players with both claymore and broadsword equipped will have additional perks? Not sure how onerous the quest for the broadsword will be but at first read it reads as though it will be more appealing to a bigger majority of players. More numbers in pvp benefits all. Scrubs like myself can find quickplay less sweaty as more players migrate to comp in pursuit of the broadsword .

As upset as I am that it wasnt worth the time grinding for it, it makes me kind of happy as all those people,who paid real money for account recoveries are gettjng screwed. Hilarious.

Why are you upset? You’ll own a gun and an exclusive emblem less than 1% of Destiny owners will have. I’m working my way for the claymore now, but hearing that, I’d feel amazing.

tldr at bottom -- I'm seriously confused on how so many people think that we're all suddenly 'stealing what you earned'. You have a trophy to prove that you grinded comp up to rank 3. You got to use a super rare weapon for a whole season (maybe). You also have something that no one else can get after the season ends. The Redrix Claymore is not the Redrix Broadsword. You get them two different ways, for two different seasons, for two different types of players. Let me ask you a question. Why do you think the Redrix Claymore is supposed to be exclusive? Is the answer something like: "It shows that the player was a skilled competitive player that took the time in to earn the weapon." If so... does suddenly having a weapon 'like' the Redrix Claymore take away from that accomplishment? Does an 'easier to get' Claymore somehow make the 'real Claymore' lose value because a 'casual Claymore' exists? You STILL get to show it off. You STILL can say 'well, I have the Claymore, yeah, I put in the time for my reward'. You STILL get to use it as well, and you can safely know that those rocking Broadsword are not on 'your caliber' becuase they obviously 'aren't as good' because they 'didn't get high enough in comp'. By default, only THE BEST will have the CLAYMORE, right? The best will now have the Broadsword AND the Claymore, right? No casual is getting the Claymore. No casual is getting a weapon that 'shows' they did something when they didn't. You are not losing the 'trophy' of your skill. They are not stealing your 'accomplishment'. They are merely getting a perk, realistically, and that's it. The problem is that... Now that something resembles the Claymore exists... It is not enough for you to 'know' that you're 'one of the best'. That's the problem. You really don't care about your rank, about the grind, about the 'feat' to show off. You're afraid that, now that everyone has something 'close' to what you have, you're realizing just how little the accomplishment actually means to you. -- An example. Normal raid gear vs hard raid gear in ANY Destiny raid. Aren't they 'almost the same'? Aren't they 'basically similar'? The only real difference being... you know, looks and an elemental burn (only Y1)? And even then it was 'just' looks after Y1. But are they gained the same way? No. They're not. One way is way harder than the other, despite the fact that they aren't 'that different'. It's been that way for all Destiny end game stuff. Trials as well. That is what the Claymore is to the Broadsword. A 'normal' and 'hard' version of the gun. No one is handing out 'hard loot' for 'normal activities'. No one is getting what they don't deserve because, even though they're similiar, they are DIFFERENT as they represent DIFFERENT levels of achievement. -- Your achievement is still your own. Your season of getting to use the Claymore is still your own. Your ownership of the Claymore is not beinig distrubuted widely without regard. No one is getting the same reward for doing two levels of activity. Your bragging rights will not be dispelled. Your uniqueness will not be tarnished. Your exclusive gun is still exclusive. You are losing none of these things. You earned 'the gun' You did not earn 'all the guns resembling that gun'. Let's not confuse the two. The gun is cool. Yes. But was the gun exclusive BECAUSE it was cool..? Or what is exclusive BECAUSE of what it represented..? Eventually sheer coolness bleeds into the rest of the game. It's always worked like that. More examples: Black Hammer was only available in the raid. Then it became a quest. Then another quest, each more available than the last (well, on paper, seeing how the PEs were screwy). Linear fusion rifles were once only available in the Elder Ciphers (Queen Breaker's Bow). Then as the Sleeper in a quest (something literally anyone could do with time) that literally everyone got by just playing the game. Then, in D2, as a whole archtype. Plan C was once the fusion rifle that charged up the fastest due to its perk. But, then that perk became a rollable perk that we even have in D2. Suros was the only gun that 'slowed down' for more impact. Again, now a rollable perk, and other iterations of the gun endured in a shape or form. MIDA was a gun with the godly movement speed and the hidden (and great) HCR and affected the radar. Now you have perks where you move faster while aim down sights, now you have way more prevalent HCR. Lesser forms, sure, but the 'exclusivity' wasn't to the gun itself. King's Fall weapons exclusively had 'stow weapons reload' perks (albeit, should have been intrinsic). Now, any weapon can obtain that perk. I could keep going... -- The point is that, naturally, guns and abilities and perks and other things change with time and have always broadened as the game progressed. However, 'where' you got said guns the first time and the meaning and the stories and the (at the time) power exclusives you did have don't change. You still have all of that, and you can brag about that still as well. But the game has moved on. A new iteration has arrived. No one is taking away your accomplishments or your 'prime time' when it was new. But... the game is not going to be stuck on them either. Whether we want it to or not. Whether you grinded for the power, or the bragging rights, or the fact that 'you wanted to be the first' is irrelevant. You got there, you reaped the rewards, and now a new reward with a new path for new people has come up. No one is taking yours away, but rather, new ways are now opening. Usually they are easier than 'the first', but that's natural. -- tldr: You got the weapon in its first iteration, and that's going away to never be given like that again. You got your exclusive time with it. You can say you were there 'first'. If that's worth something to you... and was a reason you worked hard for it... then nothing is being taken away. Let the new iteration come. It's not supposed to mean the same thing because it's a new iteration. One still holds more value, more work, than the other. That only changes if you allow yourself to change what you think of the gun. If you're proud for being first or having the first iteration, again, no one can take that away from you.

I am someone this doesn't really matter to as I am most likely not going to bother getting the new one. I will say you need to quit your whining. A) you were able to use the gun while others did not get to use it B) you basically have access to the new and improved version right away when others will have to surely grind for it as no way it is going to be some basic quest C) things get replaced as time goes on and you should know that. If the only reason you got the gun was for e-bragging or e-peen measuring because of its exclusivity rather than for its actual use in the game then that's on you for being so vain D) you should be happy there is a new version coming out which you can get right away without the quest rather than just having a Y1 gun that may end up being obsolete compared to regular random rolled pulse rifles

I actually don't care OP, I want other people to experience what Desperado does because it's really fun. You better believe I'm gonna pick up that emblem from Shaxx that shows I got the Claymore in Season 3 though. I'm not even mad.

i been around the block too long to know how this goes people work for a hard reward gets screwed over eventually in the end look at random rolls look at whisper of the worm look at d1 mountaintop quest look at chaperone quest i like to play the procrastination game

6000 have it... 60% of you paid for it, 30% ddost to get it, 10% of you I respect (if your aren't a complete ass like op). ....yes these percentages came out of my ass.

I dropped this on another post, but I'll go ahead and drop it here as well: [quote]The thing that's making me laugh most is people throwing chairs over the Redrix ordeal. Did you honestly expect it any different? Bungie has literally done this since the beginning of Destiny; Make something exclusive; for about 6 months, then release it to everyone when new content comes out. They even did it with the Skull / Firewolf mask that was supposed to be an actual exclusive (it was even in the description in orange font) They did it with Gjallarhorn with Rise of Iron; They literally used it as a marketing tactic and handed it out to EVERYONE for doing an ultra simple questline. They even did it with all trials gear during Age of Triumph, they made it a possible weekly bounty random reward, weapons and armor. The only exception being "Adept" gear, which is essentially a carbon copy of the original with a different skin and a perk that barely made a sliver of a difference. It'll be the same with Claymore; You'll all have the original (adept) that nobody can get anymore INCLUDING an exclusive emblem, and people will have access to a gun under a different name that's essentially the same. They're doing the same thing as Destiny 1 essentially. Besides, nobody even knows how difficult this new quest might be; You may even still yet have to hit Rank 3 in Glory. So, again, why are you complaining...?[/quote]

All these entitled little brats. Jesus it’s a game. Go make actual money in real life my god.