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9/16/2017 4:19:33 PM
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[quote]So you bought it for co-op but play solo 80% of the time, and do so because it's easier. Sounds like you really don't want to co-op that badly if someone needs to put a proverbial gun to your head to get you to do it.[/quote]
Some people just want to wind down for an hour after work, or just don't feel like being 'on' the whole time they play. Clans and friends don't share work rosters, there's more than just one reason to play a game, but like I said, you play a game to suit your playstyle, you don't expect the game to change just for you.
I also like racing games, which I buy a lot of. If I bought them, why am I here? Because I don't want to [i]only [/i]play racing games. I certainly don't whinge that Destiny doesn't have enough racing in it because 'I'm special and this game needs to cater for me'.
[quote]Oh, and FYI, I play with friends. You know, because I want to. No one needs to force me to, nor reward me for doing it. Again, because I want to.[/quote]
You're putting words in my mouth. You have no idea what my ideals are. And playing with friends versus finding an LFG team of unknown's are two completely different beasts.
[quote]If you need something extra for it you should maybe start asking yourself if playing with others is actually something you want to do, because it sounds like it isn't...[/quote]
I never said[b] I [/b]needed an incentive, I'm implying that people like OP are the ones demanding the incentive, of which if there is none, then the playerbase diminishes, which is my entire point. The entire reason posts like this exist is because they want stuff, which is the driving factor of getting people to find teams.
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Except that when people want to unwind they do what they ENJOY. That's the point. And yes, you need an incentive. If you didn't you wouldn't play solo 80% of the time and insist on better rewards. It isn't hard to find a group here. Friends. Clan. Random invites. It's super easy. If you're not doing it that isn't because of all the "extra efforts it's because you don't want to. That's why you're playing alone; you've chosen that option. And no, the topic creator isn't asking for incentives. He's asking for parity. And to be clear, I don't agree with him. Thanks to flashpoints and the like, that parity already exists to the required extent. My not agreeing with the topic creator, however, doesn't make your rebutals toward him any less of a pile of self-serving nonsense. Lastly, no one is trying to change the game to fit them (nice racing game straw man by the way). The suggestion was not to remove co-op, nor to fundamentally alter the game play. Merely to provide more options and reward parity (which I personally believe already exists).
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First off, I'm no longer going to even bother responding to the ad hominem. If it's unrelated to the actual post or my post, like say, assuming that you understand my motives for how and why I play, then don't bother wasting your time. [quote]the topic creator isn't asking for incentives.[/quote] Literally his first line is 'All the best loot is from...', I don't believe he's asking for anything more than additional loot opportunities. [quote]Lastly, no one is trying to change the game to fit them (nice racing game straw man by the way). The suggestion was not to remove co-op, nor to fundamentally alter the game play[/quote] I don't feel you understood the point of my response. 1. OP is definitely asking for the game to suit him. 2. My response was not about the removal of co-op or the alteration of gameplay. It seems you missed the point entirely. My response was saying that by offering means of obtaining endgame gear would reduce the co-op population. Removing, or offering alternative, incentives would dissuade players from engaging in co-op activities, reducing the playerbase to those who really are only in it for the enjoyment of the activity.
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Except that he's NOT asking for incentives. Incentives are bonuses. He's asking for PARITY. That's not even vaguely the same. It is in fact YOU who are bluntly saying that your preferred play style REQUIRES incentives. What you're doing is called "protecting". Beyond that, you're suggesting that your chosen play style, which you avoid, is so viciously unpopular (despite the fact that it isn't, as evidenced by games like Left4Dead) that if it isn't all but required for quality loot that people will abandon that play style in numbers that will undermine the game entirely for you. And if that's the case, then you want the game to be specifically tailored toward a style that people don't like and avoid... So basically you want the game to flirt with failure by catering to what you want and not the vast majority of people. Sounds like a bad idea. Oh, and an ad hominem is when you attack the opposition as opposed to the argument. There's been no ad hominems on my part. Me characterizing your argument as nonsense doesn't quality, as it's not insulting You, it's criticizing your argument. You could suggest I've attacked your motives a few times, but that's impossible not to when motivation is the heart of your argument. If you don't want it debated, don't bring motivations into the debate, something you've not only done for your own, but you've openly questioned the topic creator's motivations making turnabout fair play.
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[quote]Except that he's NOT asking for incentives. Incentives are bonuses. He's asking for PARITY. That's not even vaguely the same.[/quote] You're telling me [i]this [/i]is asking for 'parity'? You're delusional. [quote]All the best loot is from the raids and Trails of the Nine, why is there not any good gear from completing Patrols or solo play?[/quote] [quote]It is in fact YOU who are bluntly saying that your preferred play style REQUIRES incentives.[/quote] As evidenced by this: [quote]All the best loot is from the raids and Trails of the Nine, why is there not any good gear from completing Patrols or solo play?[/quote] [quote] Oh, and an ad hominem is when you attack the opposition as opposed to the argument. There's been no ad hominems on my part. Me characterizing your argument as nonsense doesn't quality, as it's not insulting You, it's criticizing your argument. You could suggest I've attacked your motives a few times, but that's impossible not to when motivation is the heart of your argument. If you don't want it debated, don't bring motivations into the debate, something you've not only done for your own, but you've openly questioned the topic creator's motivations making turnabout fair play.[/quote] Ad Hominem means an argument calculated to appeal to the person addressed more than to impartial reason. As in trying to use my potential motives as to why or how I play this game to form a rebuttal against my response rather than actually responding to the matter at hand. As in this: [quote]So you bought it for co-op but play solo 80% of the time, and do so because it's easier. Sounds like you really don't want to co-op that badly if someone needs to put a proverbial gun to your head to get you to do it. Oh, and FYI, I play with friends. You know, because I want to. No one needs to force me to, nor reward me for doing it. Again, because I want to. If you need something extra for it you should maybe start asking yourself if playing with others is actually something you want to do, because it sounds like it isn't... Except that when people want to unwind they do what they ENJOY. That's the point. And yes, you need an incentive. If you didn't you wouldn't play solo 80% of the time and insist on better rewards. It isn't hard to find a group here. Friends. Clan. Random invites. It's super easy. If you're not doing it that isn't because of all the "extra efforts it's because you don't want to. That's why you're playing alone; you've chosen that option.[/quote] All of which is you trying to appeal to me and my motives, rather than addressing the content of my response. Motivation is the heart of the argument, but you're not talking about it in the general sense. You're specifically talking about me. Rarely did you actually focus on the point on my response, but when you did, you largely agreed with me. You responding to me in the first place, was solely to target me. You ignored the OP's position, regularly forgetting what was even said in his opening statement, instead latching to a contradiction you'd seen and making that the target of your entire argument. That is by every definition, Ad Hominem.
