They didn't fix anything for Destiny 2 either, it'll literally play exactly they same, just 4v4 ... SCORE! (leaves)

A lot of it feels like they can't/don't know how to fix it so they just stopped trying at this point. It almost seemed like the only option anymore was to just leave it like it is and attempt to start it from scratch jn the new game.

I would have to write a novel to describe how bad it is right now. Sad, playing like 2% of the time compared to 2 weeks ago, just no desire to play it has become so bad. And that is for PVP and PVE.

1.) Use a primary. You guys love using the meta, well right now Imo, primaries are the meta. 2.) Pick up special ammo that spawns all the time and is almost everywhere if you can't use a primary. I'm not understanding what's so difficult about that. The lag and other issues have always been here and have nothing to do with the special changes. Imo, ohk weapons should be a luxury, not something you can run around with or camp with all match. The current changes still allow you to hoard shotguns and camp with your sniper, the only difference is you have to put in a little effort to get ammo for it. This was a good way to reign in the rampant (and boring) special weapon use, while also making primaries more viable, and not just nerfing specials into the ground. This was one of the few times where Bungie didn't just nerf things, they actually thought about it and made changes that still left the weapons usable. Sidearms aren't all that effective if you are smart and treat them like pre-nerf matador. You know that sidearm users are going to rush, they aren't all that great at anything but short range (a couple of them are barely ok at mid range) so keep your distance and land your head shots with any number of primary weapons at our disposal. I'm no pvp God, but I have no issue dealing with sidearms. They are a spray and pray weapon, nothing more. Any decent primary user can outshoot a sidearm, just land your headshots. Icebreaker is garbage for pvp, the ammo regen is so slow you will never get a full mag before you die, and you'reore likely to run past 2-3 special ammo crates long before you get a full mag. Don't even get me started on the ridiculous recoil and handling. There are far better snipers, and I honestly don't see icebreaker used all that much. It isn't a real problem Imo. The matador meta should have taught everyone how to deal with close range weapon rushers. It sure taught me.

Of I were to step into destiny for a first time now I would probably think it feels ok. However being here for 3 years I've seen better crucible is really -blam!-ed up right now with the latency issues playerbase and spongy weapons. I don't like sidearms or snipers I'm a fusion user and a scout user that's my choice . Unless you sit on special it's bullshit killing some dude and trading and spawning in he has ammo and you don't that's just lazy development. However bring guns to year one isn't a solution . Reverting special is , all exotics should be exotic again and depending on what your running they should feel exotic and stand out . None of this horse shit exotic isn't a worthy contender to a legendary bs .

They don't care about their first game They will not care about pvp or pve in their second one either People somehow find this pvp state the greatest (even with almost no player base, everyone using the same meta, horrible matchmaking, slow TTK in a fasta and dynamic character movement) everything after the taken king was awful and made destiny worse every patch not a single patch made players happy... oh wait, bringing back old content made it....

Can PvE players stop making PvP posts? Just deal with it or don't play PvP until D2.

whats wrong with it still fun to play

I'm just glad COD finally went back to WW2. They don't have to do much to out do D2, let alone D1.

Its really not that bad

Please do this bungie i might actually get kills with vex again

We still got until the release of it for a patch to come out, it's not coming out today...