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Editado por Grimace221:
7/29/2016 7:30:39 PM
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About that Shoulder Charge nerf...
Ok, now before anyone comes flying off the handle and yelling at me, this isn't a request for a nerf in the slightest. Also yes, I main a Titan, but just hear me out.
Now, lately I see a lot of people complaining that Shoulder Charge (or as I like to call it, the Road House) is OP, and needs to be nerfed. Now, I could tell you all about the many ways to counter it, or how you have to build up speed, or hpw it wears off if you sprint too long, and so many other things I think that people don't understand. We could talk about the things other classes can do Titans can't like blink, invis, etc. But people have been doing that for ages, and where has that gotten us?
The real problem is that people are asking for a nerf. In the 2 years since Destiny came out, what has a nerf solved? Every single nerf has just created a power vacuum for something else to take the throne.
Look at weapons. First Vex was OP, then they nerfed it and Suros became the new champ, then nerf that and it was TLW, thorn, pulse rifles, now people are bitching about Mida... come on. It isn't solving anything.
Besides all a nerf would do is take away the real fun, which is brawler combined with the P. Greaves. Especially with an arc burn or airborne mod.
Now let's get back to the issue. Shoulder Charge. The Strikers one shot melee. How about instead of nerfing it, we give one subclass from each class a one shot, as long as they activate a perk that allows it, since titans need to use the shoulder Charge perk.
For example lets allow hunters who turn on the burning knife, a one shot if they land a crit. I say crit because of long range, double knuves, etc. It seems fair
For Warlocks, I don't know exactly, maybe allow them to one shot if the feedback perk is activated?
I am open to suggestions, and hopefully this will spark a real debate instead of all the hate and master race BS.
But that is my solution. Not a nerf, but buff one sub class for each class to allow that sub class to have a perk that can trigger a one hit melee.
Let me know what your thoughts are, like the idea? Hate the idea? Maybe you have a better option for a classes one hit melee?
If you have read this far I thank you. Looking forward to hearing your reaponses, but let's keep it civil yeah.
Edit: I am seeing a lot of great responses here. Some negativity, but thats ok. I really wanted to start a good discussion without all the whining and I am happy to see that happening!
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This all the way. Shoulder charge is hax. Run n use cover fire. Always keep distance between ya.
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2 RespuestasBut no one ever cried about it in all of year 1 (2years)
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Hey check out these class change suggestions https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/210281619/0/0
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Shoulder Charge itself is fine, I agree, but the people using it as their only attack or whirling around a corner just to turn around and do it because they missed the first one and they're a punk is different. And be honest, there were four exotics during Y1 that were bullshit after Thorn was the norm. It seems the majority of the Destiny community (not all of you) tend to gravitate toward the most bullshit tactic or gun. There was a beautiful moment right after TTK release where nobody knew what was the most bullshit (cough, Hawksaw/MIDA, cough) and as a result, you saw everything used. It was great. It was [i]fun.[/i] But then people realized how annoyingly overpowered Sunbreaker, Stormcaller, and the douchebag combo for Nightstalkers were, and then they discovered Hawksaw and how MIDA (one of the aforementioned four BS exotics) wasn't touched, and everything went to shit again. They didn't even fix the Thorn problem.
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12 RespuestasEditado por TesseractCrow: 8/1/2016 8:01:57 AMPpl bitching about something as situational as shoulder charge, let's all just ignore invisible blade dancers, and the fact that a warlock void super just killed me despite landing literally across the map from me. #Youjustwantspecialtreatment. Let me be completely serious here. Do I bitch when someone camps and head shots me despite me moving across the map at max speed? No. Even if I call bullshit I keep on going. The only time a Titan should be able to kill you with a shoulder charge is if they get the drop on you. You have to sprint, charge it up, and if not using mk 44 stand as sides it literally lasts for 4 seconds or so then goes away. To restart it you have to stop sprinting and start again. Do I bitch about Snipers o h k o? Blade Dancers who can go invis and murder an entire -blam!-ing team across the map whereas fist of havok requires timing and precision to get more than one kill? Do I really need to spell this shit out for you or are you guys that blind. Almost as blind as a Titan is while shoulder charging. I mean you do know unless you are using the year 2 mk 44s that the ability to turn while shoulder charge is prepared is literally nonexistent? And even with them it's iffy at best. It gives tunnel vision and motion. It's a wreck less move its a haymaker and it's meant to knock you the -blam!- down if your slow enough to be hit by it. I get murdered if I turn a corner and see someone because I'm stuck, there is no moving away. They got the drop on me. The only crutch that shoulder charge gives is the one it hands you because of how it cripples you. Without perfect -blam!-ing timing and luck to run into some dumbass who broke away from their team (the majority of you it seems) your not going to hit shit with it. Oh and actually activating it stops you in your tracks. For a good 3 seconds. I'd call that a weak spot because if you stop just short you're -blam!-ing dead without question you will be Swiss cheesed by every bullet you can imagine. I mean really. Pro tip for my striker pals out there, sliding lets you extend your shoulder charge range considerably but hey guess what whiners, that too leaves you open as -blam!- for anyone who can aim. How about play the -blam!-ing game, enjoy when you ohko an enemy with your own OP shit without trying to take everyone else's shit away. You -blam!-in whiners won't be happy until there's one class with one subclass. Oh wait... Why don't you try HALO? Lmao seriously.
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1 RespuestaDear nerf babies: The best way to avoid a shoulder charge is to [spoiler]jump back[/spoiler]
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Bltch players pull up your panties.
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Titans cried about blink for an entire year until they got Twilight Garrison, now they are the only Class that can Evade (Blink) with ALL 3 Subclasses. I think Warlocks and Hunters should get Exotics that grant Shoulder Charge.
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8 RespuestasI'd just make it use a melee charge. Making changes to two other classes is two more opportunities for imbalance.
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2 RespuestasIt will be nerfed. Think about it. It's the big thing on the forums now. And you know what happened when something is. Like there's not a single thing that was big on the forums and wasn't nerfed. So I'm sorry but I don't think you can escape that.
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No, I disgree.
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2 RespuestasThe hunter can one hit melee with kepri's sting.
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3 RespuestasIt's gonna get nerfed. It's the latest big 'thing' in the forums this season. That and lightning grenades / juggernaut, no back-up plans, uni remote. But after that, what will be the next big thing needing nerfed? I wonder after a few years of nerfs what our subclasses will be like. I can hear it now. " Glasshouse needs a nerf"! "Weapons of light lasts too long"! Give it a few years of nerfs and we'll be hobbling round a map throwing the occasional nerfed grenade, shooting our nerfed gun and charging our nerfed super. Like old men remembering the glory days.
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Shoulder charge is not op, its unbalanced! My idea is not changing anything other than, you can only use shoulder charge at the expense of a chunk of super energy! The shoulder charge builds up energy and unleashes it into an opponents face. Where is that energy coming from? Take it from the super bar. The only down side is that alot of people use shoulder charge to navigate the map. This would result in almost never having your super.
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4 RespuestasNerf SC
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9 RespuestasIf we nerfed the tracking a bit? As for juggernaut...take the health down to where it can tank a sniper but gg somehow leaves you with your shields down
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Titans are fine and people need to stop bitching about them. The classes are balanced asymmetrically so just because titans have shoulder charge doesn't mean that it's out of place. This means that when looking at balance you need to look at the classes as a whole not component by component. Titans have shoulder charge to bolster their neutral game. They don't have a ranged super so they don't have the killing potential that a nova bomb, blade dancer, golden gun or storm trance typically does. They also have a pretty short range melee--this all needs to be factored in when thinking about balance. At times shoulder charge can be decent but against good opponents you get crushed more often than not. Don't believe me? Go and try it for yourself. Across both systems on destinytracker titans are hardly dominating the crucible. In the top 50 when I looked last week there were 11 titans, 8 warlocks and 31 hunters. If anything we need to be banding together to bring sunsinger up a little. Nerfing things has turned this once great game into the mess we have now. If this keeps up there will be no power left for any of our guardians.
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All i will say is there should be a cooldown maybe. I run all three characters and they nerfed the nightstalker shadestep to give it a cooldown. I think the issue is with the lag it appears that a titan shoulder charges you from standing still
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1 RespuestaTwo ignorant question from a Hunter.... 1. Does Shoulder charge cost a melee charge? 2. If not, then does Shoulder Charge have a cooldown of some kind? I apologize for my ignorance here but not everyone has time to play all 3 classes. [spoiler]If the answer to both questions is no, then damn.....just damn.[/spoiler]
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2 RespuestasIts horrible. Doesnt even take a melee charge. It needs to go. Its to much of a crutch. In year one i wrecked using shoulder charge. And the bad thing to is its used for moving around the map. A MELEE CHARGE, used for MOBILITY! That spells OP, if OHK doesnt. No other melee in the game OHK's except backstab. But THAT HAS a cooldown, only works from the back, and cant be used for mobility. SC is worse than halo 5 shotguns.
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4 RespuestasIt should obviously be nerfed to do only regular melee damage.
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We will not get nerfed this is our home this is our land THIS IS SPARTA. IF YOU OPPOSE ME YOULL BE KICKED INTO A PIT or be only able to watch all the sharknado movies for entertainment
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1 RespuestaHow about taking away the broken 'Titan Skating'. The Tankiest Class shouldn't also be the fastest.
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1 RespuestaI'm happy people keep touching on the word nerf. They should take it back to the start of year 2(when hunters didn't shit on everything) and realize that nerfing EVERYTHING will just leave things in unbalance. Some things needed nerfs and some things needed ...wait for it....... >>>>>BUUUUFFFFFFSSS<<<<<<
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1 RespuestaA hunter melee me mid shoulder charge the other day. Killed me and walked away...
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Rather them nerf titan skating than SC Titans move so fast the radar can't keep up.
