I try to veiw things from everyones standpoint and approch the debate with as much logic and reason and calm understanding as i can muster. In their defense after what happen to sunbreakers at the start of yr2 and sunsingers last month i completely agree with and understand their reluctance to admit their favorite subclass has an OP ability. On the other side of the fence i understand the logic in wanting a rebalance to shoulder charge. It does not take 3 seconds to activate EVERYTIME and once it activates(if you try to evade after that point) it will follow you around corners, in the air and most like kill you in a trade if you do not kill them before they hit that melee to proc it. Also no other class has anything close to it in terms of low cooldown(if any cooldown at all) 1hko ability( even when boosted by an exotic) i propose that shoulder charge works off a melee cooldown, does very high damage to target(but not 1hko with full shields) while at the same time dealing porportionate arc damage to any enemies in an radius around the target equal to stormcaller thunderstrike range while still dependent on the sprint to activate. If the melee charge is absent on activation it still does the high damage to the intended target but not the are damage. However nothing we agree on here wi come to fruition on the fact that bungie will either nerf on leave as is but in reality we feel it deep down knowing bungie will rebalance striker in the next patch right bfor/after RoI. If you didnt like that the other idea(which is fair and reasonable) let shoulder charge keep its damage at the cost of equiping an exotic that boost its damage to get the forementioned outcome of the 1hko

I started recording those matches where I feel like my blood is boiling, you know those matches. I've realized that I made stupid decisions because I was tilted, and I'm blaming things for my failure.

How about OP vs OU?

2 snipers is op if your accurate

Snipers are op n broken https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/208938314/0/0

You don't know what you're talking about.

People who complains I was outgunned = OP I was killed = OP He's faster than me = OP He dodged my attacks = OP His grenade killed me = OP He sniped me = OP He got heavies and I didn't = OP Destiny Community asked, is this what you encounter in every game you've played? Complainer: No, it happened in only one game that I've played so far. Destiny Community: slams the door and curse violently.

i dont know who you are but i love you and everything you stand for

Too much logic to ask from whiny kids who suck at a video game, but good post!

Strong = you kill other players with it. OP = you get killed when other players use it on you.

Strong is a weapon you get kills with. OP is when a weapon kills you. [spoiler]sarcasm[/spoiler]

I'd also throw [b]"Popular"[/b] in the [b]Strong vs Overpowered[/b] argument. It seems like everyone cries about MIDA, but it's simply popular. My buddy has a Hung Jury SR4 with Triple Tap, Extended Mag, and Firefly and it's just as effective. I have one with Third Eye and Triple Tap. It's a beast in PvP. But because MIDA is popular and easy to acquire with the right perk set (since exotic perks don't change) it's used a lot. There are probably some great hand cannons which, given the right rolls, can battle The Last Word pretty head-on. But exotics already have the premium perk set, so all of the sudden they're [b]Overpowered[/b] just because they're [b]Popular[/b]. As far as shoulder charge is concerned, I've learned to keep my distance from titans where possible. When I can't I don't wait for the perfect shot like many people, I fire off as many bullets as I can and win that engagement about half the time, which is probably the way it should be. But regardless there will always be guns perceived as overpowered simply because they're popular, or even more so because they're exotic. Maybe it'd be a fun community challenge to find legendary guns with the right rolls to go up against these exotics just to prove the point.

Humans are humans, we are going to find weapons we are comfortable with and combos we are comfortable with. When they get nerfed we dump them and just look for the next thing. It's a never ending cycle, nothing is ever going to balanced because nerfing THIS, just means THAT is now the most powerful, then the nerf for THAT is around the corner, and the next thing will be found and latched on to.

There is no difference for PvP mains. And the worst part is they give zero fuks how their self limiting toxic mode fuks over PvE. #GivememyfukinThornback #Invectiveonlyholds14roundswitharmourbonusesnow...

What's op about snipers and last word is that they are far too effective outside of their intended ranges, that's why weapons have been getting nerfed mostly. And btw snipers are far from inconsistent, that statement is just laughable. If you want inconsistent put away your tys and shotty and pick up a fusion. I main the suckers and most of them are incredibly inconsistent. Last word has next to zero range, less than most shottys, so either change the range star to better reflect the actual range or make them have the proper range. Snipers are far too accurate on getting head shots close to medium range, it needs to be addressed. And some could say body shots needs tweaking as well but that's up for debate honestly. Shot guns are in a good spot, so are scouts and hand cannons. Medium and low rate of fire pulses have no incentive to be used, which needs to be addressed. Low rate of fire pulses take the same amount of bursts for the kill as them and shoot faster. Low rate of fire autos need to be usable at an extended range, because as of right now they have a higher ttk and yet have the same range fall off as medium rof autos. And if we were all being completely honest side arms could use a buff as well. All the subclasses are currently balanced with a couple exceptions, striker lighting grenades needs to have a clear indicator for the cone, as of right now it's incredibly hard to tell if your in the clear. Sun singers need some re tooling to give them a better outlet to be supports, that's the one warlock support class and it got neutered and yet nothing changed to give it a better support outlook. These are the changes that I hope bungie addresses, after that everything will be mostly balanced and if people call for nerfs than their just bitching.

I thought you were referring to Strong in Fallout 4. When I realized it wasn't, I stopped reading. If you don't know who I am talking about, you're just a filthy casual