TRIPLE WRECK IS BETTER

Only if the exotic hand cannons stay the way they are currently. I still have nightmares, that shit was stupid as fcuk, getting sniped from across the map with hawkmoon tlw and thorn. Those nerfs were entirely justified, this 3 were completely broken The legendarys didn't need the nerf, but those 3 definitely did

At this point they should just go on rotation. This week hand cannons. Next week pulse. Next IB dust off your ARs. etc.... Since it seems too hard to get it right.

Machine guns need less ammo

I think this is good, maybe slightly reduce mg ammo, and if autos pulses and hcs got that buff, scouts would need a decent buff to some archetypes to keep up

It sounds like a lot of fun but the reason why most of these were changed was bc they wanted the TTK lower to feel less like COD and more like Halo. By lowering gun stats, you lower TTK, thus feeling like you partake in more "gunfights" vs 3 bullets and dead in .2 seconds Obviously some are outliers (TLW, shotty, snipers and heavy)

I don't believe thorn and tlw should be back where they were to be honest.... That nerf was definitely justified

https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/182264454/0/0/1 Special Ammo [quote]I was afraid of putting this up because of the backlash, but here goes- For me, I don't see shotguns, snipers, or any special as over powered, I see them as over used. A long while back we faced an issue, people were using their specials far more than their primaries. With a following patch they fixed it to ensure that primaries would be used more... or did they? [spoiler]Bungie Weekly Update - 04/09/2015 https://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-Weekly-Update---04092015/en/News/News?aid=12753 This update mentioned some things about special ammo and their goals for it. [quote]Kevin: At the highest level, we had a few goals in mind: [b] Make Special ammo a more precious resource in Crucible[/b] Further solidify Heavy ammo's role in the Crucible [b]Further improve the balance of encounters by limiting high-damage weapons[/b][/quote] or [quote]Or, as Mr. Fruit put it earlier this week: [b]Shotgun violence runs rampant in the Crucible.[/b] Can you ease his mind with some details? Kevin: The recent update to sandbox balance was the first step. Creating a new system to manage ammo drops will enable us to adjust the Crucible experience without altering other activities in your Director. [b]We believe that making ammo more scarce and important will provide players with more choices and more memorable encounters in Crucible.[/b][/quote] and then there is: [quote] Kevin: Special Ammo will spawn less frequently, it will take longer to pick up, there will be less crates located on the map, and the bricks you find will provide you with less ammo. I’ll save the stats and gory details for the Patch Notes. [Editor’s Note: Coming very soon to a blog article near you!] [b] We wanted players to really think about how and when they should use their ammo.[/b] The hope is that you’ll ask yourself questions like: [b]"Is this snipe worth it right now?"[/b] [b] "Should I really shotgun rush these players?"[/b] "Should I conserve ammo until the next crate?”[/quote] [/spoiler] Yet with the idea of making special ammo more precious we still see people using only the special weapons still. [quote]"Is this snipe worth it right now?"[/quote] You don't ask yourself this because you're running around with at least 8 shots and the next ammo drop will be in 7 seconds to give you 4-5 more shots. [quote]"Should I really shotgun rush these players?"[/quote] Well, seeing as I can carry at least 16 shots with my shotgun, this is never a question. People can claim that others are just scrubs by shotgun rushing, or pussies by camping with a sniper. But what if that shotgunner had only 2 shot available to him? He would have had to wait for the right time to use it to get 2 kills. Or the sniper had only 1 shot left? He would have needed the right angle and right opportunity to make that shot worth it. Using a special weapon for a special situation. Yet we are given so much special ammo it is not that precious, even skilled people can stack up on ammo to a large capacity of shots. By using a certain weapon so much an impression is made, then claimed to be over powered when it is not, it is over used. This won't stop the shotgun nerf though, that boat has already sailed. But even with them being nerfed they will still be used to large extents because of the availability given to them through special ammo pickups. If a nerf would come to special ammo, I would advise not reducing the amount of ammo special weapons can carry, but how much they can pick up in crucible. Instead of giving 6 shotgun shots, or 5 sniper shots, give 2. It will not effect the performance of the weapon, but it will effect the availability and use of it. PvE players would be happy too with a nerf that doesn't effect them. That is my input, call me what you want, scrub, baby, idiot, I don't care. This has been the one and only main issue [b]I[/b] see in crucible, and you can disagree with me if you want. But if you agree, please [u]bump[/u] and [u]like[/u] so we can focus on the real issue.[/quote]

Honestly, I think the Auto Rifles are the best they've ever been in the release game (Day 1 Beta Tester here) right now.

Balance is only going to come if they quit listening to the feedback of 10yr olds and whiney nerfits.