Okay, those things were bad. Not that I'm here to defend bungie, but I don't hate them for destiny one. I didn't hate destiny. I've played since vanilla as well and I personally miss those days. If this next installment is done right we will be playing this one for a long time. If we so, why does it need to be ridiculously easy to get everything? After I was finished with iron banners, and raids, and trials. The chase for drops I hadn't kept me coming back. I hated grinding my a** off in nightfalls and raids only to get a drop for another class. Yet, that also persuaded me to make all 3. Back in the days when nightfalls were super hard with a bunch of modifiers and you would be kicked back to orbit if your whole fireteam died. It sucked, it took time, but it meant so much more to finally get it. It made the raid weapons that much more important and suddenly you find yourself playing everything the game has to offer. We also got exotic drops regularly for nightfalls. They're too easy to get those drops now. I understand a lot of people don't have time to grind like that, but over the years they did a good job of giving you many ways to level up with the rest of the pack. You should definitely still have the ability to play and level up if you own the game yet have limited time to grind. Yet, shouldn't the efforts be rewarded of those that do? Maybe not to be more powerful but to stand out? Have something rewarding that can't be also just bought from Tess? I remember the glitches, glitches suck, but games have them. Two I remember in particular were the Crota and atheon cheeses. That's when raids took a while and there wasn't a walk through online the day after the raid released. A big part of there problem destiny had was that they supported both PS3 and 4. Which not only made them waste manpower on outdated systems, it also made them format way too many versions considering both x box1 and 360. Not to mention it limited them as far as content with PS3 and 360 not being capeable of supporting the possible vastness destiny could've been had it been made exclusively for newer consoles. The buffing was probably the worst part. Trends are inevitable, popular o.p. guns are inevitable, the only balance is in a plethora of such. Basically instead of destroying their awesome guns to accommodate casuals make a sh*t ton of awesome balanced guns. A bigger drop pool slows everyone down from getting the same thing. It also promotes players to create an identity and overcome obstacles with the tools at hand. They're money hungry and sold us pieces of the game even though more was done. I agree, but if dlcs that later released had the same glitches they worked through in vanilla the game would be screwed. It would also be too much to go back and fix. I also don't mind them having some sort of direction with the game at release enough to have content waiting on standby. I don't agree with or like they're corporate angle, yet I don't mind paying for not only a fun game, one I can play with my friends, one that I can play as long as I've played, and for the people behind the scenes to continuously have initiative to maintain and develop something I enjoy. I'm definitely going to pre-order. I actually didn't with back with vanilla lol.

This is pretty much every destiny player. They complain about the game and how bad it is, and then immediately pre order it. Destiny is an abusive marriage, and we are apparently going to play it until it kills us.

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I agree - DO NOT PRE-ORDER Destiny 2. Wait

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Literally won't be investing my time into another great game until holiday. All the butt munching Christmas noobs got the game for 35 bucks meanwhile I payed 100+. So nope. I'll just be around Crucible and until The Taken King Raids. Still an interesting piece of work to me. I dont hate the game, just the shit Bungie is pulling on us. So many fan boys, its hard to voice your opinion. But i mean freedom of speech and shit so i say it anyways. Lmfao.

For everyone here crying about destiny lets make this clear. If you thought that bungie/activision cared about destiny in the first place you should have known this not to be true from the start. Destiny 2 was already being talked about shortly after the release of destiny. WARNING! RED FLAG! Yet we all still bought it. We in my opinion have been nothing but testers for the market and game devolopment for destiny 2. What works and what doesnt work. Finding bugs and glitches and other types of broken setups so destiny 2 can be the bandaid to destiny. I personally love the game no matter how bad the rng drop rate is. The thing is, grinding is what makes me play. I am an old school final fantasy guy who would spend 100 hours alone to grind everything to max level even though i didnt need to in order to finish the game but its what i wanted to do just to do it and extend my gameplay. This game has its ups and most definitely its downs. There is though on the other hand, no other game i have ever played that i have this many hours into. No matter how much i could or can complain ive gained the most time in this for my money i have to thank this game for that accomplishment. Again destiny has its ups and downs but if u thought that this was their main focus you should have known from the start and theres no one to blame but us if u keep buying into it. I will most likely buy destiny 2 because i am a sucker

I Never preorder any game wait a month or 2 and buy it used half off

Pre order it

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No way I'd pre-order Destiny 2. I'd wait awhile, read the reviews, Reddit posts, ask friends about it before I'd purchase... If I purchase.

Bump. Ding ding ding we have a winner lol. I never pre order any game. You just never know