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Editado por Mackonator:
3/26/2015 7:48:19 PM
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Abortion is...?
What do you guys think? I am currently against abortion but I want to look at the argument both ways to see which side is truly right. Long, thought out comments are greatly appreciated.
Edit 1: Although it was kind of implied, is it specifically killing a human being? A woman should be able to do what she wants with her body but is the thing inside of her its own body, therefore having its own rights?
Edit 2: If the fetus has its own DNA, heartbeat, and brainwaves, how is it less than human? Scientific answers and explanations would be greatly appreciated.
Edit 3: If the fetus is human, regardless of what circumstances it will be born into it is entitled by the Constitution to [b]life[/b], liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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I believe if women were explain exactly what goes on during the a oration procedure and what they do to the poor baby i don't see how any woman could go through with it.. Its really sad and sickening.. If you are considering an abortion do your research and find you exactly what they are going to do to you and your baby. Its not okay.. It is murder.
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In response to it being a woman's body...so long as the fetus isn't viable (can't survive outside the womb), then I would argue it's still part of her body. As to your original question, I'd like to ask one in return: if you're male and cannot get pregnant as a result of -blam!-, would you really have any authority to demand a -blam!- victim to carry the reminder of that trauma for minimum 9 months, maximum the rest of her life? I don't like abortion, but I cannot demand another go through something that I'll never have to.
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3 RespuestasI believe it is situational. I don't believe it's okay to abort a baby if you can't support it, yes I understand it's a massive responsibility to raise a child, but if you hadn't had unprotected sex you wouldn't be in that situation. Under the condition of -blam!-, I believe it is okay. I would honestly still prefer that a woman who is -blam!- still have the baby, for personal reasons, but I understand the decision to abort it in said condition.
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1 RespuestaFor accidental pregnancies: If you're not responsible enough to wear protection, you're not responsible enough to look after a baby.
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In contraire to anomaly's post I am a man, I should have an opinion on the matter. I got my girlfriend pregnant awhile ago (ex now) and when she ended up getting an abortion and not telling me it psychologically messed me up because I felt like it was my fault. At 16 idk how to react so I was on the fence about it and two days later she aborted it without talking to me about it. Since that day I haven't been able to sleep, it threw me into a deep spiraling depression, and it changed my outlook on life. I should've stopped her, I should've been there for her more, and I shouldn't have been so inactive. It haunts me to this day, I get nightmares about it and it disturbs the living hell out of me. I'm not gonna sit here and say men should be the ones who ultimately decide, they can't; but for gods sake don't discount our opinion because we have a penis. Just because we [i]don't[/i] have a [u]uterus[/u] doesn't mean that we don't have [u]HEARTS[/u] the fact is that men are effected in different ways. He ignorance and total disregard for men's emotions is completely disgusting.
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There's a lot of gray. I'll shoot some ideas out. Give my final opinion. Then explain the ultimate problems. 1.) women should have the option to decide what happens to their body. After all, it is THEIR body. 2.) even though the baby is not born yet, after enough development, it is a living person and has a lot of human like characteristics even though it is still in the womb My opinion: im actually pretty torn. You cant tell a woman what to do with her body but you also shouldnt be allowed to take the life of a child. My head says rights first, my heart says lives first. So i dont know honestly. It depends on the situations. Ultimate problems: What is the life of the mother is threatened by having the child? What if the woman was -blam!-? At what point is the child developed enough to not go back? Are rights more valuable than a life? Or vice versa Is adoption an option? If so, how bad is the adoption situation that would render it as a worse option? Is the government becoming to powerful? If they encroach on this right, what is next? I mean i don't ultimately know. And my opinion is made on a case by case basis. But i'm just playing devils advocate
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If only this unborn child could be born without bothering the mother like they used to tell us as kids a pelican brings baby's and that baby is wanted :/
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9 RespuestasIt sickens me to see how more people think abortion is acceptable than not. What has the world come to. It is a child not a choice...
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Lol I love seeing this thread resurface. It always makes me smile. I've said it before in this thread too, but I'll say it again: I'm for keeping abortions as a legal option for women who wish to terminate non third-trimester pregnancies.
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17 RespuestasEditado por Charlemagne: 4/22/2015 10:31:20 PMOkay, well this subject needs a bit of clarity. Firstly, a fetus isn't a human at all during the first while. It's just a cluster of cells. No heartbeat, no brain, nothing. Just cells. Secondly, later in the fetus's life, it does become illegal in most places to abort. The very latest (and this is only in extreme circumstances) you can legally abort a fetus is 20 weeks, usually though it's within 12. After 20, it's illegal, because that's when it starts becoming more than just a lump of cells. Edit: It also becomes dangerous for the mother after this point. Now, I personally think abortion should stay legal (or become legal, depending on where you live). The ruling in Canada that made it legal was because it was unconstitutional to restrict the individual autonomy of a female and that they cannot morally infringe the right to the security of the person. Forcing a female to have a child while it's a fetus is literally forcing her to do something against her will and (1) treating her body as a legal grounds of the court and (2) putting precedent on something that isn't a living creature yet (other than the life that is equal to other cells). Source: Literally pulled that out of my law textbook.
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8 RespuestasHitler: *Killed tons of people* People: Wow, he's a terrible person. People: *Kill tons of unborn babies.
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Obviously only one way or the other, with no grey areas.
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3 RespuestasHere's the solution don't even risk sex if you don't want a baby. Plain and simple.
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Astounding that in the year 2015 people still believe they have the right to force their arbitrary moral ideas on to other people's bodies against their will.
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Pregnancies in general scare me, having a wiggling human inside you is kinda gross and weird to me. But having a dead baby inside you?! That's -blam!-ing terrifying, because of this I don't mind abortion, the people who do it must be super brave.
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9 RespuestasAbortion is wrong 100%. That baby is as alive as it will ever be. The fact that people who have a baby before or after marriage, can't take responsibility for it, and do so by killing it is a horrible murder. It a baby! You know that they feel it when the mother swallows the pill, and it literally tears them apart on the cellular level. Right? Doctors lie, and say it's fine. Then let me kill your child, and say that it wasn't born yet.
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I don't know.
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I'm for it for many reasons and it is there choice it may be alive but it's more of a host and idk the word parasite is too strong but something like that like barnacles on a whale without the mother there is no life it can't survive on its own despite the argument it's alive of course it is everything is alive the cells that make up everything in the universe are Alice maybe not in the traditional sense but you get it. Also our population is large enough as it is bringing a child that will in many cases be unloved neglected possibly abused then to grow up in poverty depressed about his/her childhood is almost like aborting it anyway the kid never feels love and is ridiculed for being born in the first place. Also please please do not attack me this is my opinion you have your own that's what makes debating so run thanks.
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2 RespuestasHitler killed millions of people, and people hated him. However, abortion is killing millions of unborn infants and people are okay with that, because haven't been born yet. It is a form of infanticide, which is the killing of infants. Ancient Rome practiced this if their children weren't "perfect".
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7 RespuestasImo I think it's immoral but necessary. Agree or not it's just what I think
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Heres the thing. An unborn baby is still a human. Their only difference is their dependency on someone else and the environment. Its like a baby in a crib being fed compared to a walking toddler. They are both humans. And for the only exception is when both the mother and the baby will die, and the only choice is to have the baby removed. Then it is acceptable to save on instead of killing two people.
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1 RespuestaEditado por Clever Username: 4/23/2015 12:09:20 AM[spoiler]I don't know if I posted this here already, or in another thread but... [/spoiler] Gays have a "legal right" to a wedding cake, yet unborn babies don't have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Does that sound fair to anyone?
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5 RespuestasIMO this comes down to semantics. Trying to define an arbitrary point where a non-human ends and a human begins during human [i]development[/i] (key word), is like trying to pinpoint [url=http://m7.i.pbase.com/u26/jackcnd/upload/43767517.GradientWhite720p.JPG]on this gradient[/url], where black changes into white. The reality is there's no magical cut off point. Were it that easy... So I think the rational thing, if abortion is necessary, is to abort as close to the non-human side of the gradient as possible.
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"If the fetus has its own DNA, heartbeat, and brainwaves, how is it less than human? Scientific answers and explanations would be greatly appreciated." If a chimpanzee has its own DNA, heartbeat, and brainwaves, how is it less human?
