[quote]It'd be nice if we could discuss his points on the recent grandmaster vog experience. What do you guys think?[/quote] Yes we can discuss it. What I think about the video is that nothing that he said is really new. The community already knows it for years now, especially right after they introduced the seasonal power system. The community here has been saying it for a couple years now what he was saying just now. It's been discussed here long before he said these issues on this recent video. I also disagree on a couple of things that he said early on in the video. At around 6:25 in the video, he was talking about gear power. If he played since D1 and truly knows the game, then he doesn't really understand what the game is and how it was designed. That's because he is not a game designer, he's just a gamer playing the game with a gamer's perspective. End game loot in Destiny has always been designed to be a variety of powerful and unique weapons mixed with some not so powerful ones. Regardless of the type of end game activity gamers participate in. That's because it was copied from other existing games before it. That was the design for it. Legendaries are meant to be powerful because they are the ultimate level of gear loot that a gamer could be rewarded for no matter what activity they participate in. Exotics are just that, exotics which could be wielded on one slot. Special exotic weapons or armor that could be wielded once on each slot. This type of loot reward system has already been designed in other games years before Destiny has been even out in the market. Borderlands and Diablo games already utilized these types of powerful reward systems years before Destiny 1 even came out. And these loot reward systems from these games are powerful in themselves and completely independent from the character power level system. Meaning, the guns themselves are powerful enough and unique themselves regardless of character progression. The uniqueness of the guns have a certain quality to it that is not dependent on power level progression alone. They have special characteristics that make them unique alone. And that is by design. This is what Destiny copied from other games. The reason for this design back in the day, everyone pays the game equally regardless of if they play all of the end game, or just some of them. That design of giving powerful rewards to any end game loot is to cater to everyone paying and playing the game. Legendary loot is the end game reward. Exotics aren't because you can't equip yourself with a full complete gear of full exotics on all slots. Game won't allow you to. Thus, Legendaries are designed to be powerful end game loot. Exotics are just that, special exotic gear with special perks. But legendary gear is the true end game loot. This has been the design even before Destiny came out. Destiny just copied and adapted similar systems. The other thing I disagree with his video is what he said around 8:20 about time played makes you skillfull. Practice makes you better. In general, it does. But not on the context of what he was explaining. Spending time leveling up the artifact to get to a certain power level to around close to 1350 because that's what GM VoG is asking doesn't make you a skillful gamer if the activity you want to enter is at 1350 and you haven't even played it. Getting good at something because of playing a lot of leveling artifact does not make you a skillful gamer to enter a higher level VoG that you haven't even played yet because your power isn't there yet. That's not how practice works. Practice gives you carry-over effectivity if you are doing the said activity over and over until you get really good at it. Playing for long periods because of leveling the artifact power so you could enter a 1350 Master VoG doesn't make you more skillful on that 1350 Master VoG that you haven't even played yet. It doesn't work that way. That's not how time spent in a game transition to skill in a certain activity. You can't be doing breaststroke swim everyday and then be good at butterfly swim just because they are both water sports. Practice doesn't work that way Datto!