He is part of the problem as some of the other streamers Bungie puts way above the entire player base, and I don't care if he eats, sleeps, and drops the kids off playing this game as many of them do or how good he is. Steamers have caused more problems for this game than anything else and it's not just Datto. People need to stop praising them using them as a reference knowing there isn't a damn thing Datto or any of them can say that the community doesn't already know. It's all a damn show, "Oooh the community is talking about this, let's portend we are being original and intelligent because the community can't think for themselves" 🤦‍♂️ The truth here is, the game should always be created with the player base as a whole in mind, but it's not.

Yeah that's cool and all but I'll bet $20 he'd never bring this up at any of the Bungie/Streamer summits, you know, where it might matter. Probably just sit there nodding his head to all of their crazy ideas.

Go watch TDT’s video He’s probably the only YT’er with balls to say how it is. ( without being too negative) https://youtu.be/-dnnBuSOcro

Really confused how this thread just became “-blam!- DatTo” Saying he is “part of the problem” and blaming him for every problem really shows how many in this community just love to blame others for the game issues. Oh no datto has differing opinions than some of us that’s ok. That’s completely fine. Saying these guys are just youtubers and streamers so they should stick to entertaining and not giving their opinions and input. Really? Don’t take their world at gospel but to act like he is part of the problem or bad just doesn’t seem accurate at all. He has a ton of hours and plays the game at a high level so his perspective will reflect that. If I want to know the experience of being a good plumber I’m going to ask someone who has been a plumber for years and has 4000 hours on the job. Datto is one of those plumbers when it comes to destiny 2. These content creators play this game way more than us and are often times more skilled. We can’t just invalidate them because person bad.

I stopped listening when he said the most skilled 😂 If Bungie wants only the hardest core players to raid and play trials then this game is no longer for me

Nothing to see here. Just an elitist telling you to get good. So he can keep the game the way it is, and his income rolling in. Once Density is gone he will be in the Unemployment line, and he knows it.

Been boycotting Luke Smith's boyfriend since he got lunafactions nerfed.

i can’t take datto seriously anymore. no hate toward you but datto is part of the problem. bungie shouldn’t be listening to anything he says. the youtubers need to stick to entertainment. they suck as armchair devs.

He is a bungie nut hugger just like all the other content creators.

What’s a Datto?

You mean the guy who got D1's Sunsinger and Lunafaction/titan barricade automatic reload nerfed??

Destiny is i the state it’s in due to “Content Creators” speaking on behalf of the community.

We can discuss it. My thoughts on his vid: I agree with his point about having something to work towards (master vog), but i disagree on his reasoning for that point. Yes, the game should have something that when introduced, it kicks our ass. That we have to work towards getting to a level that it doesnt kick our ass anymore. That would make our light level actually matter, cause currently in game, for the most part it doesnt. Not saying something being higher level should be the only way something kicks our ass, but it is one way to add challenge to the game. Now, why i disagree with his reasoning for said point: he's not saying it cause he thinks it'll make the game better, he's saying it cause he's one of the minority that can do whatever the supposed 'challenging' thing is with ease, in this case: master vog. It's the ole datto special lol. When he's one of the minority that can do something in game, he champions it as being great. The min the majority can do said thing, he then complains 'the game is too easy'. He's done this since d1. I understand why he does it: he has a monetary stake in destiny. By that i mean, he's hitched a good portion of his content creating income to the destiny franchise. So he needs viewers, followers, etc. to watch his vids, check out his streams, etc., to help keep the money coming in. If the majority of people can do something in the game, those numbers go down cause instead of watching him do it, they'd be doing it themselves. Hence why he kept harping home the point about time vested equates to you being better at the game. This is his livelihood, so he has to make the perception that 'since i play this for a living, i'm better than you, i know more than you, so you should listen to what i say and watch me play'. Like i said: it's the datto special and he's been serving it since d1.

Oh good maybe he’ll complain how well of radiance needs another nerf.

Datto is a sht for brains if the apocalypse happened hes suck his controller like a binky

Just another influencer looking out for his own best interests. Same ol' song and dance. Although I do agree with what he has to say in this circumstance for the most part.

I’m not watching some YT’er throw his toys out of the pram. If he has valid points, then feel free to list them here.

[quote]It'd be nice if we could discuss his points on the recent grandmaster vog experience. What do you guys think?[/quote] Yes we can discuss it. What I think about the video is that nothing that he said is really new. The community already knows it for years now, especially right after they introduced the seasonal power system. The community here has been saying it for a couple years now what he was saying just now. It's been discussed here long before he said these issues on this recent video. I also disagree on a couple of things that he said early on in the video. At around 6:25 in the video, he was talking about gear power. If he played since D1 and truly knows the game, then he doesn't really understand what the game is and how it was designed. That's because he is not a game designer, he's just a gamer playing the game with a gamer's perspective. End game loot in Destiny has always been designed to be a variety of powerful and unique weapons mixed with some not so powerful ones. Regardless of the type of end game activity gamers participate in. That's because it was copied from other existing games before it. That was the design for it. Legendaries are meant to be powerful because they are the ultimate level of gear loot that a gamer could be rewarded for no matter what activity they participate in. Exotics are just that, exotics which could be wielded on one slot. Special exotic weapons or armor that could be wielded once on each slot. This type of loot reward system has already been designed in other games years before Destiny has been even out in the market. Borderlands and Diablo games already utilized these types of powerful reward systems years before Destiny 1 even came out. And these loot reward systems from these games are powerful in themselves and completely independent from the character power level system. Meaning, the guns themselves are powerful enough and unique themselves regardless of character progression. The uniqueness of the guns have a certain quality to it that is not dependent on power level progression alone. They have special characteristics that make them unique alone. And that is by design. This is what Destiny copied from other games. The reason for this design back in the day, everyone pays the game equally regardless of if they play all of the end game, or just some of them. That design of giving powerful rewards to any end game loot is to cater to everyone paying and playing the game. Legendary loot is the end game reward. Exotics aren't because you can't equip yourself with a full complete gear of full exotics on all slots. Game won't allow you to. Thus, Legendaries are designed to be powerful end game loot. Exotics are just that, special exotic gear with special perks. But legendary gear is the true end game loot. This has been the design even before Destiny came out. Destiny just copied and adapted similar systems. The other thing I disagree with his video is what he said around 8:20 about time played makes you skillfull. Practice makes you better. In general, it does. But not on the context of what he was explaining. Spending time leveling up the artifact to get to a certain power level to around close to 1350 because that's what GM VoG is asking doesn't make you a skillful gamer if the activity you want to enter is at 1350 and you haven't even played it. Getting good at something because of playing a lot of leveling artifact does not make you a skillful gamer to enter a higher level VoG that you haven't even played yet because your power isn't there yet. That's not how practice works. Practice gives you carry-over effectivity if you are doing the said activity over and over until you get really good at it. Playing for long periods because of leveling the artifact power so you could enter a 1350 Master VoG doesn't make you more skillful on that 1350 Master VoG that you haven't even played yet. It doesn't work that way. That's not how time spent in a game transition to skill in a certain activity. You can't be doing breaststroke swim everyday and then be good at butterfly swim just because they are both water sports. Practice doesn't work that way Datto!

Can't stand the whiney little weasel.

Entire community for the past multiple years: "We don't like the levelling experience. It is mundane and unengaging, and does nothing for the game but serve as a roadblock to hard content" Datto in a video, now in 2021: "We don't like the levelling experience. It is mundane and unengaging, and does nothing for the game but serve as a roadblock to hard content" *video gets linked on the forum* *downvote brigade because it's Datto even though he is literally echoing the same things people have been saying for years*