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7/14/2020 5:47:44 AM
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Literally already been given examples by Bungie, so this post is already quite contradictory but for the sake of shutting down this dumb post:
Your gear will be sunset, with or without Bungies manual intervention,l its that simple. Sunsetting is healthy for game design and game balance. There are two, well, three scenarios which will happen in a game like this.
1) Game releases X gun, X gun is very strong, top of the meta so everyone uses it. Next season game releases Y gun but Y gun has to be better than X otherwise no one will use it and thus the entire point of the gun and the method in which its earned will be made defunct. So now that Y gun is better than X gun, content is made easier due to Y gun being more powerful than the content designed around X. Less challenge means less fun. Yes, this is a fact, our brains are hardwired to enjoy learning new things, overcoming obstacles and improving. It is neurobiology and has been researched for many many years. So now there is less fun, less people play the game, less sales... etc. Only way to remedy this issue is quite obvious, to make new bosses that are stronger and designed around Y gun to balance things out. But now Y gun is the only viable option as you've now powercrept the entire meta, so X gun (or even Z gun from 2 years ago) is so much worse it has now been, say it with me now: sunset.
2) Bungie mandates that A gun will be used for a set duration, therefore always knowing which guns they will need to design around for A ammount of time. They can better plan content and make finely tuned end-game experiences such as the dungeons and raids. B gun now has the option of being very powerful (like falling guillotine) or unique and it will not have to be overtaken by gun C because it will be phased out, keeping the balance in check. Alas, sunsetting weapons.
3) Neither of these things happen, end-game goes to crap, balance is whack and the game is partially ruined. Look what happened to Warframe. The raids are a joke, there is no end-game, new guns and armour are either worthless because everything else is so powerful or completely BS overpowered that you 1-shot everything. People left Warframe in droves because after all the fun combat and "power fantasy" (dont get me wrong, that IS fun, but only to a certain point) there was no real reason to play whatsoever. It's like a friend who keeps making jokes so you can never tell if they are being seriouis. Everything is haha pew pew until you want some real end-game challenge worth the time and effort you spent grinding only for the answer to be: haha gun go pew pew. It gets tiresome and boring fast.
It seems like most people on reddit/forums either dont understand what sunsetting really is/means, or they just hate the fact that now they can see the sunsetting via a little number next to the gun and cover their ears when people explain powercreep. Or they just prefer Warframe type-games which I guess is fine, but that aint Destiny.
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Ok but look at how many weapons are being sunset theres no reason for all of them to be sunset especially since bungie is reissuing our old weapons and saying go farm a new one we know you spent 12 hours (or more) to get that gnawing hunger but go grind for a new one
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Yes, there is.
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You're as head stuck in the sand as I originally was if you're not looking at the re issued weapons and content they've just done and not seeing alarm bells. Not to mention they've just invalidated any new gear for the next 12 months thanks to raid farming in the WRONG RAIDS. But what do I know right? I mean I argued for sun setting working but Bungie as usual haven't got a clue and they're dropping the ball with it.
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Editado por piratepatchy243: 7/14/2020 11:13:44 AMLmao, this does nothing for powercreep but move the same shit around. Maybe something different in perk sets, archetypes of old will still be sought after. This is honestly worse then crying nerf, don't get me wrong things aren't exactly balanced but sunsetting like this is more likely to make things worse.
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Considering options are going to be severely limited, absolutely true
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This is great you really defunct this post about armour by replying and providing examples only about weapons.
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1) This wasn't about armour, learn to read. Thanks. 2) Powercreep on armour still exists, Armaments anyone? 3) Difference is armour tends to have more investment and grind involved so there is room for discussion there. Now that transmog and universal ornaments will be commonplace in Beyond Light, what motivation is there to get armour? You only need 1 set for pve and 1 for pvp. What is going to be the point in adding a full new set of raid armour when after 3 or so runs you will have it all available for transmog. You just remove another reason to play said activity. Like i said, im on the fence about armour due to all the improvements theyve made to stats and mods and such but we'll have to see.
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[quote]1) This wasn't about armour, learn to read. Thanks. 2) Powercreep on armour still exists, Armaments anyone? 3) Difference is armour tends to have more investment and grind involved so there is room for discussion there. Now that transmog and universal ornaments will be commonplace in Beyond Light, what motivation is there to get armour? You only need 1 set for pve and 1 for pvp. What is going to be the point in adding a full new set of raid armour when after 3 or so runs you will have it all available for transmog. You just remove another reason to play said activity. Like i said, im on the fence about armour due to all the improvements theyve made to stats and mods and such but we'll have to see.[/quote] Oh so you’re one of “those” cool story 👏
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Oh so you're one of "those"? Yikes dude.
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You really believe that? Just look at the weapons reissued this season, with the exception of the 6 from the seasonal content, everything is a reissue. Totally negates the power creep argument.
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Editado por Pr0t0Zer0: 7/14/2020 8:31:22 PMYou actually believe the bs powercreep excuse? If power creep existed itd have to apply to exotics as well, furthermore they wouldnt be immediately reissuing the exact same guns but just with a new seasonal icon. Stop drinking the koolaid. Its poison.
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There is no "excuse". Its a game design fact. Really is that simple.
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Editado por Pr0t0Zer0: 7/14/2020 11:25:37 PMNo. Its not. 1) if powercreep existed then exotics would need to be sunset too. There no way ether doctor is setting the bar too high but izi isnt. 2) how does armor have powercreep and why is it being sunset too? 3) if powercreep exists why are they reissuing the same weapons they just sunset due to supposed power creep? 4) if powercreep exists why havent mountain top or recluse been replaced with something even more op after all this time? These are all rhetorical questions to point out the logical contradictions of their "powercreep" narrative. Just think critically for like 5 seconds and youll see it certainly is a bs excuse to create a artificial grind of reskins, reissues, and rerotations of gear they just took away from you. Stop parroring bungie and think for yourself.
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Editado por Pure: 7/15/2020 9:31:21 PM1) You could certainly argue that, but they are quite obviously exempt for a reason. Its not hard to understand. Izi got nerfed because it was too strong, that is their sunsetting. 2) mods. 3) because we arent in sunsetting yet, the process hasnt even begun. Dont know how people keep misunderstanding this, its a "moving forward" type deal. If they were to remove all guns from the last 2 years you'd be left with a relatively small pool, thats the point. Previous seasons werent designed with sunsetting in mind, future ones will be. 4) Swords. These arent rhetorical questions at all, youre just too ignorant to realise and accept the answers. Sorry bud. Powercreep exists, there is no argument there, none at all. It is a objective game design fact that almost all games have to deal with (or not deal with) in one way or another and that determines its success. Just think critically for like 5 seconds and you'll see you are certainly full of bs and its an excuse to keep using mountaintop recluse because you cant use anything else. Sunsetting was in d1 all the way through and everyone always looks back to d1 like it was great, and it was. Taken King was amazing because you threw away all your old gear and got new powerful stuff, stuff worth grinding for. Dont act as if im all for every single thing Bungie does, you can like and agree with a concept without always agreeing 100% with everything. Surely a supposed intellectual like you would know this though, right? Reskins are a reoccurring thing in the game and of course I would like more new things but everyone has to accept that its not physically possible to 3D model all those things to make as many new guns that we get every year. There are literally thousands upon thousands. In fact, what game with this many guns/weapons DOESN'T reskin? Borderlands certainly doesnt. They are all just randomly generated guns with several different "parts" stuck together, they aint making a million guns. MMOs? All reskins or, more commonly low poly/detail models which take significantly less time than all of Bungies superb detail. Its pretty obvious you havent thought about this very much and you dont really care either, have fun in Beyond Light, you'll be back.
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Editado por Pr0t0Zer0: 7/15/2020 9:36:06 PM[quote]1) You could certainly argue that, but they are quite obviously exempt for a reason. Its not hard to understand. Izi got nerfed because it was too strong, that is their sunsetting. 2) mods. 3) because we arent in sunsetting yet, the process hasnt even begun. Dont know how people keep misunderstanding this, its a "moving forward" type deal. If they were to remove all guns from the last 2 years you'd be left with a relatively small pool, thats the point. Previous seasons werent designed with sunsetting in mind, future ones will be. 4) Swords. These arent rhetorical questions at all, youre just too ignorant to realise and accept the answers. Sorry bud. Powercreep exists, there is no argument there, none at all. It is a objective game design fact that almost all games have to deal with (or not deal with) in one way or another and that determines its success. Just think critically for like 5 seconds and you'll see you are certainly full of bs and its an excuse to keep using mountaintop recluse because you cant use anything else. Sunsetting was in d1 all the way through and everyone always looks back to d1 like it was great, and it was. Taken King was amazing because you threw away all your old gear and got new powerful stuff, stuff worth grinding for. Dont act as if im all for every single thing Bungie does, you can like and agree with a concept without always agreeing 100% with everything. Surely a supposed intellectual like you would know this though, right? Reskins are a reoccurring thing in the game and of course I would like more new things but everyone has to accept that its not physically possible to 3D model all those things to make as many new guns that we get every year. There are literally thousands upon thousands. In fact, what game with this many guns/weapons DOESN'T reskin? Borderlands certainly doesnt. They are all just randomly generated guns with several different "parts" stuck together, they aint making a million guns. MMOs? All reskins or, more commonly low poly/detail models which take significantly less time than all of Bungies superb detail. Its pretty obvious you havent thought about this very much and you dont really care either, have fun in Beyond Light, you'll be back.[/quote] 1) ok so why not do the same to the few pinnaclez that might actually be to o.p instead of sunsetting and reissuing every legendary? 2) so why sunset the armor? Just sunset the mods. 3)thats beside the point that it completely undermines the powercreep narrative. 4) no sword has replaced best in slots. Wtf even is that answer. Im not reading the rest. I gave you 4 chances and as shown above mone of them are pertinent to our conversation nor explain the logical contradictions of how sunsetting is implemented. Youre just making irrelevant and illogical excuses.
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Yes. Look at Borderlands 3 right now or Warframe.
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Editado por Pr0t0Zer0: 7/14/2020 9:09:50 AMIve already dealt with you before. Youre illogical and not worth responding to. But just to wreck your ridiculous logic one more time..... Neither borderlands or warframe INHERENTLY throttle power level on gear. Its literally a false equivalency fallacy. Now kick rocks super fan.
