The community asked for a reason to grind new kit and not keep using the old god rolls all the time. We got one.

The new system adds grind to the game. It allows Bungie to effectively retire previous pinnacle weapons. It allows Bungie to effectively retire perks they deem to powerful or overused by not adding them to ‘new version’ gear. The new system isn’t created to add anything to the game for us, the people that play. It exists to allow Bungie to have additional control of the gear that we use. It [b]should[/b] allow them a better opportunity to ‘balance’ the game without as many nerfs as outliers (unless they’re exotic) will be effectively cycled out after a year.

Long story short: They want to extend our playtime.

1. Some players (who accept the situation for what it is) now have thier playtime extended considerably going after rolls for guns they earned years ago 2. Bungie want the latest gear to be the only thing used without having to make them good on thier own - iow they can be lazier then ever with new gears perk pools or archtypes and if you dont like it too bad you have few other options Ultimately this change in no way benefits players. Just bungie

Sunsettingweapons is to deal with the dominance of pinnacle weapons in end game. Recluse, revoker, mountaintop, and Felwinter’s lie. These are all weapons that choke out all others. But you can’t signal out those weapons alone because it would be unfair but they need to be pushed out of end game for the health of the game. I do t know for sure about sunsetting armor, maybe seasonal mod slots because some mods are pretty powerful and may break future content possibilities.

New perk comes out and is: "this weapon shoots thrall instead of bullets that aid you,they explode on defeat/timeout" This is unique, and cool. But there's no reason tk ever use that, even if it were on a legendary weapon, over the meta outlaw/rampage esque loadouts. Damage and reload perks reign Supreme in pve. Stability and range reigns Supreme in pvp. Having those kinds of items taking a backseat opens up the availability of more unique perks, that may not be as strong Like the thrall gun

They spew nothing but false promises and hollow words. They’re in cold denial if they believe this sun setting strategy is truly going to improve the game for us.

This new system had potential but Bungie aren't implementing it correctly and nor are they fuelling the creativity needed for it to work. I've gotten exhausted in arguments about sun setting but if you do keep playing the game. A few pointers. Don't grow attached to your gear anymore. Use it and make it viable sure. But be ready to scrap it. Don't use anything re issued unless you absolutely have to. They wanted sun setting implemented. Fine we have it. Don't buy into their re issue crap. Hold them accountable for their own cheap and lazy work. We won't get anything new / meaningful / creative if we allow them to keep handing re issues out.

A good example of why weapons should be retired is because of the pinnacle problem. Mountain-top, a vert sought after and amazing weapon has been the top tier pick for pve since it came out. Any pve activity, and mountain top is probably the best option. Retiring older great weapons means they can make new great weapons. Or else we would be using mountain top for the next 3 years. This example is the same for many archetypes. Sun setting allows Bungie to continue making unique AND powerful weapons, but not make everything so powerful that it introduces power creep. If we kept up with the current system, Bungie has 2 options. 1.) Make unique and new weapons that ultimately aren’t as good as the older weapons. Thus nobody uses them as it isn’t optimal. 2.) They create weapons are more powerful than previous weapons. Which then would render the older weapons as useless and non-optimal. Eventually, we get to a point where the game gets too easy, and Bungie would have no choice but to astronomically inflate boss health, nerf abilities, and nerf weapons. With sunsetting we achieve the following. 1.) Older weapons can still be powerful in some activities, creating diverse loadouts and options depending on the activity. 2.) new weapons can be powerful in a unique way, and still be used by the community in end game activities. Then they eventually get sunset and we gain new loot that makes the game worth playing. 3.) gameplay doesn’t get stale so quick. Variety is the spice of the game industry. 4.) We achieve the benefits of the power creep method, without any of the drawbacks. No nerfs needed(unless drastic), no inflated boss health, and no artificial difficulty spikes(I’m looking at you reckoning bridge). 5.) We continue to have weapons to grind and attain. Game gets boring if there’s nothing to work for. An MMO is about grinding for loot. You grind for loot that will help you obtain more loot easier/quicker. If you already have the best loot, where’s the incentive to play? The main problem that is brought up is the incentive to play. People reason, “why play if it’s all going away eventually?”. Well, first of all, that’s a depressing mindset. Why live life if we die anyway? Why play video games if eventually they become outdated? The reason to play is because it’s fun. It’s fun to find new loot to chase. Hearing about a new weapon and grinding for it? Fun. Getting the weapon and abusing it? Fun. The problem is what comes after. There needs to be new and better loot to chase. Sunsetting allows there to always be new loot to chase. With sunsetting, the seasons structure, and the improved engine capabilities.... Destiny 2 is going to skyrocket is players. We can see Bungie improving their engine and trying new things. Live events, live trackers, disabling specific perks, special loot events, and more. With more clutter removed from the game(locations, missions, etc) these will only get more efficient. Bugs will be squashed easier and faster. Less moving parts means less can go wrong. In the next few years, I wouldn’t doubt that Destiny 2 could become one of the most popular MMO’s. Right there next to WoW. Now obviously mistakes can be made. Perhaps nothing will come of all these improvements. But I doubt that the coming of new subclasses, system/engine improvements, new amazing gear to chase, and a new location won’t bring more players. With some good reviews, proper marketing, no massive bugs, and some interesting exotics, people will start flooding into the game. Destiny 2 is finally becoming the MMO FPS Bungie has always tried to create.

It allows Bungie to make new and powerful weapons without worrying about breaking the game, as they only exist for a year.

You actually participate in experimenting with new weapons? Cause right now you aren't. You have barely any drive to go for new weapons and instead want to stay in your safe space of loadout and never touch anything in the game that's new. You know... not participate in a loot baised game.

The system allows to do a few things -stop possible powercreep by giving the strong weapons a year lifetime -allows bungie to make strong weapons without nerfing them constantly over the year -makes it where armor drops won’t become pointless after getting a god roll piece

Basically there is a few things but in all honestly not much real benefit outside of cleaning out loot pools so it's less of a pain to get newer guns. 1. Forced loot incentive: there's the whole mess of "why bother going after yet another AR when you have a godroll of one or two already" without forcing a power creep that'd already be like sunsetting. Outside of crucible I don't get what the big deal would be if older activities got easier because of power creep. 2. Removing pinnacle weapons and certain other meta weapons from pinnacle activities. They don't want to single out these guns so instead they hit everything. 3. Basically inflate playtime by making people refarm the reissued guns. Personally I didn't care much about whether they sunset legendaries or not. This changed this season when I looked at what they did. Not bothering to change the perk pools for reissued random roll weapons and not allowing the ones people have to be brought up in exchange was a big mistake. Also I have no faith in bungie keeping up with weapon archetypes or damage types. Took them over a year to get two new elements for legendary linear fusions. This got hammered home when I looked at the current energy snipers you can farm that wont be sunset at the end of this season, all of them were rapid fire solar damage types.

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Dunno man. I went through my vault and deleted all but the Dawn weapons and four sentimental Y1/2 weapons. I’m now loaded on shards but it bites not having those guns. Now, that was my choice I know but it was still sad. [spoiler]Sorry, all out of salt.[/spoiler]