A slave to his sister or his son, how poetic

If savathun did turn him into a pawn, that would probably be quite fitting. But if she does I would love for Xivo to appear and start a war in sol against the witch queen. It could be an interesting ongoing story. We deal with one queen and then take out the other. Then as the seasons progress, we start taking out the other pawns like quaria and Oryx.

Hell maybe Oryx would "help" us? He's so disgusted to be a pawn that he'd help the Guardian kill savathune and them immediately turn on them

I was thinking maybe he is a pawn being fought over. Savathun would want to use him as a true pawn. Xivo would seek to revive him. Undo that which had been done. I also think quaria would be the one to help us

Savathun already has Quria and Quria had simulated an Oryx which is why Quria has the power to take, they'd have no reason to use a being that we defeated and thus by sword logic didn't deserve to be alive in the end, they'd never resurrect Hive.. it defies the sword logic, yknow

[quote]Savathun already has Quria and Quria had simulated an Oryx which is why Quria has the power to take, they'd have no reason to use a being that we defeated and thus by sword logic didn't deserve to be alive in the end, they'd never resurrect Hive.. it defies the sword logic, yknow[/quote] Reread my original comment. It wouldve been as a big -blam!- you to Oryx. To spite him. Like a twisted joke. She’d also be getting some sort of cunning use out of it. Even if it didn’t fit her grand scheme of things. Also, we don’t know how true that statement about quaria simulating Oryx to make taken is (unless it was in the books of sorrow which I’ll admit, I haven’t read in a while, in which this is where you show me). It also didn’t simulate Oryx. It simulated Auresh. The original form Oryx had. Krill state. That’s why it couldn’t simulate Oryx. He is paracausal. Like us. I also wouldn’t put it past savathun to disobey the sword logic to some extent. We also know she’s actively been in communication with Norkris (or at least his swarm) and possibly her great-nieces. Both groups have dabbled in necromantic ideals/behaviour (Nokris in general, and the sisters with Zulmak).

[quote][quote]Savathun already has Quria and Quria had simulated an Oryx which is why Quria has the power to take, they'd have no reason to use a being that we defeated and thus by sword logic didn't deserve to be alive in the end, they'd never resurrect Hive.. it defies the sword logic, yknow[/quote] Reread my original comment. It wouldve been as a big -blam!- you to Oryx. To spite him. Like a twisted joke. She’d also be getting some sort of cunning use out of it. Even if it didn’t fit her grand scheme of things. Also, we don’t know how true that statement about quaria simulating Oryx to make taken is (unless it was in the books of sorrow which I’ll admit, I haven’t read in a while, in which this is where you show me). It also didn’t simulate Oryx. It simulated Auresh. The original form Oryx had. Krill state. That’s why it couldn’t simulate Oryx. He is paracausal. Like us. I also wouldn’t put it past savathun to disobey the sword logic to some extent. We also know she’s actively been in communication with Norkris (or at least his swarm) and possibly her great-nieces. Both groups have dabbled in necromantic ideals/behaviour (Nokris in general, and the sisters with Zulmak).[/quote] 1. I said Oryx because i figured you probably wouldn't have known what i would've been talking about if i said Aurash / Auryx. Also yes Quria has the power to take as it has learned through the Tablets of Ruin, it has some will of its own but it is still a slave to Savathun, thus when she'd need something be Taken she'd have Quria do it, also Quria is the reason the curse cycle resets every 3 weeks and why we can't defeat Dul Incaru. 2. What the Hidden Swarm is trying to do is different than what Savathun wants 3. They asked the question, "what if Oryx could be reborn?" .. that isn't necromancy and it wouldn't defy the sword logic

<Guarantee the loop isn't the sole reason Dûl Incaru comes back. She's Ascendant, -blam!- has a Throne World somewhere and we need to find it.>

[quote]<Guarantee the loop isn't the sole reason Dûl Incaru comes back. She's Ascendant, -blam!- has a Throne World somewhere and we need to find it.>[/quote] Most likely yes, but first our goal is to get rid of Quria

<No.>

[quote][quote][quote]Savathun already has Quria and Quria had simulated an Oryx which is why Quria has the power to take, they'd have no reason to use a being that we defeated and thus by sword logic didn't deserve to be alive in the end, they'd never resurrect Hive.. it defies the sword logic, yknow[/quote] Reread my original comment. It wouldve been as a big -blam!- you to Oryx. To spite him. Like a twisted joke. She’d also be getting some sort of cunning use out of it. Even if it didn’t fit her grand scheme of things. Also, we don’t know how true that statement about quaria simulating Oryx to make taken is (unless it was in the books of sorrow which I’ll admit, I haven’t read in a while, in which this is where you show me). It also didn’t simulate Oryx. It simulated Auresh. The original form Oryx had. Krill state. That’s why it couldn’t simulate Oryx. He is paracausal. Like us. I also wouldn’t put it past savathun to disobey the sword logic to some extent. We also know she’s actively been in communication with Norkris (or at least his swarm) and possibly her great-nieces. Both groups have dabbled in necromantic ideals/behaviour (Nokris in general, and the sisters with Zulmak).[/quote] 1. I said Oryx because i figured you probably wouldn't have known what i would've been talking about if i said Aurash / Auryx. Also yes Quria has the power to take as it has learned through the Tablets of Ruin, it has some will of its own but it is still a slave to Savathun, thus when she'd need something be Taken she'd have Quria do it, also Quria is the reason the curse cycle resets every 3 weeks and why we can't defeat Dul Incaru. 2. What the Hidden Swarm is trying to do is different than what Savathun wants 3. They asked the question, "what if Oryx could be reborn?" .. that isn't necromancy and it wouldn't defy the sword logic[/quote] 1) we have no proof that savathun and quaria have the tablets of ruin (even tho this is the most likely situation). Also note I said [quote] we don’t know how true that statement about quaria simulating Oryx to make taken is[/quote]. (Don’t assume people don’t know who the characters of the lore are, if hey don’t they will ask). 2) savathun is like the embodiment of cunning and trickery. Chances are that she will try manipulate them [b]if she does try to get them involved[/b] [spoiler]also, as a tip, refrain from using destinypedia. Use actual lore quotes.[/spoiler]

[quote][quote][quote][quote]Savathun already has Quria and Quria had simulated an Oryx which is why Quria has the power to take, they'd have no reason to use a being that we defeated and thus by sword logic didn't deserve to be alive in the end, they'd never resurrect Hive.. it defies the sword logic, yknow[/quote] Reread my original comment. It wouldve been as a big -blam!- you to Oryx. To spite him. Like a twisted joke. She’d also be getting some sort of cunning use out of it. Even if it didn’t fit her grand scheme of things. Also, we don’t know how true that statement about quaria simulating Oryx to make taken is (unless it was in the books of sorrow which I’ll admit, I haven’t read in a while, in which this is where you show me). It also didn’t simulate Oryx. It simulated Auresh. The original form Oryx had. Krill state. That’s why it couldn’t simulate Oryx. He is paracausal. Like us. I also wouldn’t put it past savathun to disobey the sword logic to some extent. We also know she’s actively been in communication with Norkris (or at least his swarm) and possibly her great-nieces. Both groups have dabbled in necromantic ideals/behaviour (Nokris in general, and the sisters with Zulmak).[/quote] 1. I said Oryx because i figured you probably wouldn't have known what i would've been talking about if i said Aurash / Auryx. Also yes Quria has the power to take as it has learned through the Tablets of Ruin, it has some will of its own but it is still a slave to Savathun, thus when she'd need something be Taken she'd have Quria do it, also Quria is the reason the curse cycle resets every 3 weeks and why we can't defeat Dul Incaru. 2. What the Hidden Swarm is trying to do is different than what Savathun wants 3. They asked the question, "what if Oryx could be reborn?" .. that isn't necromancy and it wouldn't defy the sword logic[/quote] 1) we have no proof that savathun and quaria have the tablets of ruin (even tho this is the most likely situation). Also note I said [quote] we don’t know how true that statement about quaria simulating Oryx to make taken is[/quote]. (Don’t assume people don’t know who the characters of the lore are, if hey don’t they will ask). 2) savathun is like the embodiment of cunning and trickery. Chances are that she will try manipulate them [b]if she does try to get them involved[/b] [spoiler]also, as a tip, refrain from using destinypedia. Use actual lore quotes.[/spoiler][/quote] Jesus -blam!- it's almost like you're trying to tell me I'm wrong that Quria can't create Taken.. [quote]According to Toland, the Shattered, who was encountered by the Guardian within the Ascendant Realm while exploring the Dreaming City, Quria has obtained the power to Take; its powers of simulation have apparently been enhanced as a result of its Taken status, allowing it to successfully simulate Oryx in his entirety and thereby learn how to Take for itself.[/quote] Also shit is simple, Quria simulated Aurash, got Taken, was gifted to Savathun by Oryx later on, over time Quria managed to simulate all that there is to such a point that it could recreate Oryx thus also by defacto learning what Oryx knew, the power he stole from Akka Why are you trying so hard to discredit what I'm saying everyone knows by now..

All you needed to do is put that one quote. I would’ve backed off ages ago. Never tried to discredit anything. Not one person can remember all lore, and I’m one of those that likes precise quotes to back things up. You’ve proven the point. Thank you. Have a good day.

[quote]All you needed to do is put that one quote. I would’ve backed off ages ago. Never tried to discredit anything. Not one person can remember all lore, and I’m one of those that likes precise quotes to back things up. You’ve proven the point. Thank you. Have a good day.[/quote] Here's the quote from Toland, as can be heard (although rng based) in an ascendant challenge in the dreaming city [quote]"Quria is the key, the mind simulates Oryx and thereby masters the power to take. But of course Quria is no power unto itself."[/quote]

Jeez so complex Also isn't it great to be back