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Edited by Kippysmith316:
2/4/2015 4:27:44 PM
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Opinions on why Crota raid primaries are bad
Just starting an opinion thread about why the raid primaries are bad. Is bungie testing new ideas with them? Will they get better when HoW comes out?
Internet opinions go!
So many good opinions here
I have the fang and edict and the fang is usable but the edict just doesn't do it for me
Edit: so many responses my first trending post
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I wouldn't say they are bad. The pulse rifle isn't best by much more than the red death. And the scout is better than VoC (minus when doing VoG oracles) hand cannon I haven't messed with just yet, and auto seems solid but again, haven't spent to much time on it.
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Crota raid primaries are bad? News to me. I'm only missing the Hand cannon but the rest are amazing
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exp rounds and hive disruptor perk break the special perk on woc while its boxy shape and zen moment make it the clunkiest hand cannon in the game. the always changing recoil -blam!-s up a lot of shots.
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I like the auto rifle it's better than Atheon epilogue , the edict is okay(I just don't use pulse rifles to much) just got word of Crota still have to level it up all the way( fatebringer is still love) I'm a handcannon kind of guy so I'll see soon hit like it for the most part. And still waiting to get fang that will be soon hopefully. But overall I like em
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Edict is almost ok outside of nightfalls and a few other things. Word I think is a really good hand cannon, and after playing around with the defiant I think that one is good too. I don't think they are that bad, they are definitely useful and better than most other legendaries.
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5 RepliesAll of the vault of glass legendary weapons were very good and in some cases they were even better than exotics. I think this may be why Bungie decided to tone down the legendary weapons from Crota. They wanted to make sure that the exotics were clearly better weapons. This is the only logic I could come up with on why the legendary weapons from Crota are not that great. I don't think they are terrible just not really much better than the vanguard weapons.
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They are solid, but don't really feature anything to make them must-haves. The word makes clearing up the trash after killing the death singer. The fang is good, but still won't be replacing my fatebringer in nightfalls.
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I always think the raid weapons have one particular use in mind when created. If not for the raid then for something else. Or something in the future. Maybe they're meant for a certain enemy, or enemies. Just because i was handed a stranger's rifle at the end of the game when I had better weapons doesn't mean I go dismantling it. I have a feeling reading the description I may need it? Who knows.
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2 RepliesEdited by Striker93175: 2/4/2015 8:23:37 PMMy buddys first was the pulse rifle. He said the biggest problem is with the pierce shield perk - it almost always seems knights put the shield up every single time he reloading so it doesn't even matter that it can because the shield is down right as your reloaded anyway.
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I like the auto, hand cannon and I'm sure I'll like the scout. They may not meet people expectations after VoG weapons like fatebringer but they are good weapons. I don't like pulse rifles anyways so I can't say if it's a good one or not.
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I only have the pulse rifle and its total trash. I'm in the minority of players who like pulse too, this weapon is so meh it's unbelievable. Expected so much more.
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I love the Raid weapons. Especially Fang of Ir Yut. Has replaced Fate Bringer as my go to gun. Word of Crota is also really good, it isn't as ideal for mobs as Fatebringer, but it is great for Enemies that require a lot of damage to kill.
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Oversoul Edict is basically a full auto timepiece. I loses head seeker, but also doesn't have the garbage secret round perk (hint: if I miss a shot with a pulse rifle it's not because I'm firing too low). Kind of a wash there. Abyss is just better than Atheon's, there's not really an argument to be made. Fang is a re skinned arc VoC, full auto isn't necessary with their rate of fire. Word is not a Fatebringer, it's the only new raid weapon that is definitely worse than the previous one. However, most hand cannons fall into that category, it's like comparing any other rocket launcher to a Gjalarhorn. So one is straight up better, one is worse, the other two are pretty much equal. Not sure what the issue is here :/
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Edited by harrymfa: 2/4/2015 8:22:59 PMWith the exotics, they needed shitty guns for Xur to sell every other week. They can pace the good guns longer that way. With the raid and vendor guns, I think they thought the first tier of guns were too good. Vanguard guns were so good, they made these raid's guns look bad.
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The word of crota isnt a bad gun and it is better as a fatebringer in some encounters. I use my fatebringer in the pit, but when im at the deathsinger I pop my WoC. It hammers knights and pretorians and minotaurs like a warm knife going thru butter. The gun is made for raiding and hard enemies. People complaining bout the WoC Dont know how to use it. Guns in destiny arent always better is Every situation. Thats why u have to swap guns in a raid. When people start to realise that, they will be much better at this game.
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They put out all their best guns before dlc. Vex is a lot better than necrochasm. Fatebringer is a lot better than word of Crota. Fang of ir yut is good but it's no VoC. They are going to have to make better perks if they want people to use new guns. But Some of the new perks on raid guns are broken anyways.
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5 RepliesI have the Word, The fang, and Abyss Defiant. I just want the Helmet. All i ever wanted was the helmet :/
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1 ReplyThe high points are: The fang. Good well balanced scout. Hits hard, decent perks, it's good. The abyss. Mostly a PvE beast but it's pretty good as an all rounder, I found its switch between hip fire and focused useful. The oversoul. is in no way bad on it merits, but it's a pulse, so there's no point using it while high impact low rof auto rifles exist. The word. I can't even say specifically what I don't like about it. It feels like a Devil you don't with (very) slightly better perks. It's only useful in void burn nightfalls. And only because the only other void primary is the epilogue. ...p Put another way, if the over soul edict was void, I doubt the word would ever get taken out of the vault. And pulses don't get a lot of love, so that's saying something. The
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I smell a patch on its way
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7 RepliesBad is a strong word, but some of their effect aren't particularly useful. Looking at you word of crota.
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1 ReplyPersonally i like the autorifle. But it is just a copy of suros without the health regen.
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2 RepliesWord of Crota could really use something other than zen moment, it already has high stability for a HC. Crowd control would have been better imo. Or something like crowd control that increases damage after a precision kill, but for the rest of the magazine and stacks! The fact that hive disruptor also conflicts with phantom gift is annoying, but its only when fighting hive majors so not a huge deal. The AR is pretty solid, its a laser with focused fire and perfect balance. They could have made it better for general use by changing lich bane to confuse any enemy. A bigger magazine would be nice too, but with its fast reload speed it doesn't suffer much. Haven't leveled the pulse rifle yet, but it looks like it will be a low impact AR that can pierce knight shields, making it situational at best. Still trying to get the scout rifle :/
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They are worse for the most part for a couple reasons. First off VoG perks are way better and on an even playing field VoG beats out Crota weapons . Second is the way damage is applied in respect to being a 331 or a 300 weapon. A weapons max damage is applied appropriate to the damage level and monster level. To better explain this understand that all weapons are toned down to the appropriate monster level your fighting. So a level 331 weapon fighting a level 20 monster can only do a max damage of a level 20 weapon to that monster. By this logic against all monsters up to level 30 a VoG weapon does the same damage as a crota weapon or any 331 weapon for that matter. Only when you do the crota raid does the 331 weapons extra damage start to apply. But as seen with the weapon testing on many of the weapons they only do marginally more damage than their VoG counterparts. About 2-5% roughly not factoring in the perks of the weapons. Hope this helps explain this for ppl
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Most of them follow the low-impact/high-RoF trend that seems to be plaguing all TDB weapons, and that's a pretty crappy damage model for any weapon type. The only raid primary from CE that is widely considered good is the Fang, and that's just because it's a reskinned Vision of Confluence.
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I like the fang , AR is also not bad , do prefer fate bringer to word preference tho I guess , the oversoul edict is so so not a pulse fan and I doubt I'd use it over the fang on an arc burn.
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I only have the fang....i like it
