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To anyone with high grimoire and is interested in the lore and backstory of Destiny and it's characters

I personally love the grimoire and am kinda glad it's not in game. Gives us something to think about and makes us want to finish knowing all the details. If you have high grimoire and/or just enjoy reading all the cards I enjoy discussions about all of it. So please, feel free to post and discuss the grimoire you feel you know a lot about and the ones you want to know more about, or the ones you have theories on. Like myself, I am interested in finding out more about the characters whose names are brought up and referenced, yet we know little about. Such as: Toland, Osiris, Saint-14, Pahanin and Praedyth. And the ones we know some about but not all, like Kabr, Dredgen Yor, Shin Malphur, Jaren Ward etc. Hopefully this gets some good discussions started, because I enjoy talking about all of it . Edit: wow over 500 replies! So glad some of the community enjoys these discussions. Edit2: I believe when I get off work tonight I'll create a group just for this type of thing, accessible for all consoles! I'll put the name here when I do. I'm working 8:30 to 8:30 so everyone stay tuned! Edit3: So I had to work over, so if not tonight, the group will be started tomorrow for sure!!! Edit4: My apologies, and thanks for the patience (and time) and support! Edit5: Collective of Knowledge is the name [CoK] unless a large portion of you guys would want it to be changed.
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  • I want to know more about the classes. Things like Titans raising up the wall or warlocks seeking knowledge in ruins. Guardians powers and stuff. Tactics. Famous individuals like saint-14 Also want to know a lot more about the Exo race.

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  • Why doesn't the Vanguard urge guardians to destroy Thorn, Bad Juju, and Ice Breaker? They are all very dangerous weapons, and all are dangerous to the wielder in some way. Thorn turned (Jared?) into Dredgen, who proceded to kill Pahanin with it. And at the end of the Void kills part, it says that you aren't looking well, suggesting that it harmed you in some way. Bad Juju was Toland's personal weapon, and Toland was exiled for understanding the darkness too much, even the weapon's flavor text suggests it's dangerous(If you believe your weapon wants to destroy all existence, then so it will). Ice Breaker was scrapped do to it's habit to explode and kill the wielder(Please replace these components if use causes fatal damage: HEAT SINK. MAGAZINE. OPERATOR.), but it still is wielded, much to the Vanguard's dismay. Also, is The Stranger's Rifle a future, modified Fate of All Fools? They have the exact same weapon design, FoAF without the electric bubbles, and they have different colors. Also, was Pahanin in the ill-fated raid on the Vault of Glass with Kabr? In a grimoire card (VoG card) it is told by the PoV of Pahanin, who heard this from Kabr possibly moments before his corruption from the Vex, and how would Pahanin know that if he wasn't with him? The other four with them could have been killed by the Gorgons, Pahanin fled, Kabr killed a Gorgon, Pahanin made SGA to keep company (It does have a personality), Kabr sacrificed himself to make the Aegis in hopes that someone could use it in order to destroy the Vault, and Pahanin escaped somehow. This is kind of a popular theory, but I'll talk about it anyways: Are we part of a cyclic universe? This could explain the fact we can kill enemies over and over and over, but they still come back, and evidence to support this is Ghost Fragment: Exo Stranger, which says: [spoiler]I stand here now and now and now many times, this view, this ground... This is where I always choose to stand. I put my feet where I put my feet before and where I will again and I look at the sky. Great things moving, rendered small with distance, lesser things not moving, watching me. I always stand here, resolute. Then fall back to that point, there, where everything shatters... (The sky isn't special here, certainly no better than any other sky, but it's the view I know best.) The silent avalanche begins. Rock and dust. Falling chaos. Machines, as a rule, hate chaos. Our enemies outflank us from below, above, left, right, before, beyond. The Traveler - shattering. There are always the dead. Their names shift. Sometimes I think I see myself among the dead. But I am resolute. [/spoiler] TLDR: Bad Juju, Thorn, and Ice Breaker are more dangerous than you think, TSR is the FoAF, Pahanin was in Kabr's raid team, and Destiny's universe is cyclic. Feel free to combat any of this! :)

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    • Anyone know how to get the guardian abilities and siege dancers cards?!

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    • ...The Guardian One podcast discusses this topic weekly.

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    • I'm actually extremely interested in how the Vex simulate reality inside their own minds, pretty much brining their observers into the vex mind.

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    • Some people believe pryadyth is the stranger cause she goes through time and can teleport

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      • I'm particularly interested in Dredgen Yor, Shin Malphur and Jaren Ward. Basically the Thorn/Last Word story arc. Also Ahamkara. God they need to be in the game.

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        • Edited by Cardinal Erebus: 1/21/2015 10:54:14 AM
          This guy on Reddit deserves much recognition It is well worth the read. [b][u]The Story of the Twilight Gap[/u][/b] [spoiler]This compilation was originally going to be solely on the Twilight Gap, but as I was writing it it became abundantly clear that the Twilight Gap takes on so much more meaning form the events that precede it, and those events before them. And so I made a decision, a Lore post on the most prosperous yet troubling time of the Last City was in order. The Age that we are living through, The City Age. The City Age began when the Last City was built under the shadow of the Traveler, ending the Dark Age that preceded it. The Tower was built, as a home for the Guardians and a signal to the City’s inhabitants: We will endure. And endure we have, through disasters like the Faction Wars, the Battles of Six Fronts and the Twilight Gap, the catastrophic effort to retake the moon, Toland the Great’s inevitable madness and the Great Ahamkara Hunt. There have been victories, the original Titans who built the Walls, the legendary crusade of Saint-14, and the destruction of the Black Garden. Here I will go into detail of the major events thus far in our glorious age of redemption, and I hope you will learn from our past, that you may improve our future. THE BEGINNING Before the City Age began, Humanity lived in turmoil. Pockets of survivors from the Collapse lived in small camps, villages or fiefdoms. But all knew of the promise of the City. A great metropolis under the Traveler that would provide Sanctuary for all. The first ever Titan creed was formed in this time, The Iron Lords, brave men and women who led survivors to the sanctuary of the City. The Titans raised the first Wall around the City for protection, and built every wall after that. The great Tower was raised as a beacon for all to see. It was a miracle, that the survivors of the Collapse found their way to our metropolis, and that so much of our Golden Age ways remained. But it did not come without struggle. Several factions vied for control of the City’s inhabitants within it’s walls, and the Faction Wars began. Buildings were razed, fires were lit and blood was shed. Supporters all fought against each other with destructive intent, until a group of Guardians (Titans and Warlocks, from what I can gather), took it upon themselves to end the conflict. Their success created the Consensus, the political structure of our City today. The Faction wars saw the dissolution of all Factions but for the Future War Cult, Dead Orbit and Osiris, whilst the New Monarchy formed to watch over the Consensus. The Vanguard was created, charged with keeping the peace both within and outside the City’s walls. More Orders of Titans and Warlocks were formed as well, like the Praxics, and the Chain. THE BATTLES THAT FOLLOWED And soon, they would be tested. The first Hunters journeyed into the Cosmodrome, and found the House of Devils waiting for us. The Fallen are not repelled easily, and like a cloud they descended on the City from six directions. The Battle of Six Fronts was upon the City. Four Titan orders - Agema, Firebreak, Gatewatch and Chain - stood against the onslaught, and four orders of Titans remained when it subsided. Much blood was spilled, but the battle of Six Fronts remains a hall-mark in Titan history. Saint-14, a legendary Exo, urged the city to take a counter-offensive against the Fallen. He wanted to crush them while they were weak, but the Vanguard denied him. Saint-14 did not care. Records speak of his great crusade against the Fallen, and say that he caved in the Devils Kell’s skull with his own. He disappeared soon after. Some say his helmet can still be found in the wilderness, the blood of the Kell splattered on it’s front. The Six Fronts brought upon a new reality to the Vanguard, there are Guardians who are unprepared for the enemies we face. Thus, the Crucible was formed. An arena that pits the Guardians against each other in enemy environments to prepare them for the hordes of Aliens we face. Legends were born in the Crucible: Thalor, the Invincible Titan; Pahanin, the Hunter, Ikora Rey, the Rebel, and Dredgen Yor and his Rose. Dredgen spent time studying the Darkness, too much time, and he became corrupted. His Light became Dark, his ghost became a wraith. Dredgen murdered Thalor and Pahanin, but was killed in the famous showdown at Dwindler’s Ridge, by a renegade Hunter, Shin Malphur, with the Last Word. The Vanguard stared at the sky and saw the Moon, and they fought to retake it. Guardians were sent, and places of the moon were taken back from the Hive: The Anomaly and Mare Cognitum to a name a few. But it would not last long, Crota saw the guardians and reigned his fire down upon them, pushing the Guardians away from our Satellite. But at a cost, The Praxic Order of Warlocks are now famous for Crota’s defeat. The Moon would, however, once again fall back into the dark hands of the Hive. THE TWILIGHT GAP The third major battle to take place around the city, the Battle of the Twilight Gap marked a moment of significant change in Guardian, and Consensus, behaviour and objectives. The Battle of the Twilight Gap (Often referred to as “the Gap”) saw the Fallen houses unite and siege the walls of the City, where they were fended off by all available Guardians. Ana Bray, a hunter and descendant of the famous Clovis Bray, was present at the Battle. It is unlike hunters to stay within the City for long (They itch for the chance to delve beyond our walls), and I find it very likely that Ana and her fire-team were the ones to first report the incoming invasion. The Battle saw the cities gun positions duel with hundreds of Walker Tanks, Titans kill Fallen upon the walls and the Fallen kill Titans upon the walls. The Warlocks combined their magics to try and break the Fallen. The City's Guardians were weary after their defeats at Six Fronts and at the hands of Crotas armies, and were unprepared for this attack, and so many of the Guardians who gave their lives defending the City were newly revived, with minimal training. The defence was led by Lord Saladin Forge, the creator of the Iron Banner, and his proteges: Zavala and Shaxx. The battle was brutal, and eventually parts of the city were overrun by the combined might of the Fallen. Zavala and Saladin gave the order for their Titans to hold their ground, as that is always the final order amongst Titans. Shaxx, however, seized the opportunity and lead a counter-attack against the Fallen who had managed to creep inside the walls. Shaxx fought with his squadron of Battle Frames eventually and drove the Fallen out to retreat back to whatever hole they had crawled from. Shaxx's disobedience will forever strain his relationship with his former mentor: Saladin. The Gap ushered change amongst the City. Great sections of it remain deserted, fortified in the event of a similar horror. The armour of the dead Guardians (mostly Titans) was used to create a line of Heavy Weapons: The Gjallahorns, gifted to the survivors for their bravery. The Vanguard called for a new commander: Zavala, who to this day leads the Vanguard in the cities efforts to reclaim our golden age. Lord Shaxx feared that the Guardians would not be able to withstand another attack, and so he and his last remaining battle frame: Arcite 99-40, became mentors of the Crucible, training future Guardians for the horrors he had faced. The Speaker urged the Vanguard to pre-emptively strike against the Fallen, and other enemies, before they could strike against us. A gun position that was overrun by Fallen was retaken and used as a Crucible training field: but doubles as a Guardian outpost. Should the Fallen ever attack again, we will be prepared.[/spoiler] (I do not claim this nor own it, Credit goes to KentsFood, owner and creator of this marvelous story and all based off facts in the Lore of Destiny.) For further inquiries visit here: http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2jvfcq/lore_the_twilight_gap_and_everything_else/

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        • Miesteries for all you!! Lets search in Grimoire cards!! Who is Pujari!!?? What is the Deep Crypht Rock!!??

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          • Aon where's our group! I'd make one in your absence but the community has spoken for you to found the collective.

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            • Edited by Boom TJ: 1/22/2015 2:36:50 AM
              The lore focused group is officially created, and its name is: "Collective of Knowledge" [CoK] If there is a large portion of members who would prefer another name, reply here your suggestions and I'll apply them!

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              • Nice

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              • Sitting at 2850, but overall, pretty disappointed in the lore.

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              • My votes go for The Collective. The Ishtar Collective. The Tower Collective.

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                • i havent got my grimoire to go up in like a month because i havent got to play much, i want to get at least to 2700 would be good

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                • Saint-14 is my legend! I want to know all about him!

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                  • Edited by Cardinal Erebus: 1/20/2015 12:59:27 AM
                    Wow the Private messages i get about lore questions is surprising. Anyway, an aspect that needs to be looked into is the back story of Osiris's escape from the Vault and his affiliation with Toland. The next bit is why Toland is called mad and insane. To the Vault hunters here is a list of all the raiders and possible ones: Toland (Reoccurring dialogue indicates his alive in another realm but dead in ours) [u]Vault of Glass[/u] Osiris (fought Atheon and survived) Kabr (Lost inside the Vault) Pahanin (Dead by the hands of Dredgen Yor) Praedyth (alive but in another timeplain) Unknown (lost to time) Awoken male unknown (Lost to time) [u]Cotas End[/u] Eris (alive) Vell Tarlowe (Dead) Omar (dead) Sai Mota (dead) Eriana-3 (Dead) A section that stands out is that Osiris knew the Vex to the point of origin and he went into exile as a result, now where have we heard this before? Toland. He has too gone into exile because of the knowledge of the Hive. On several Occasions he cuts off guardians mid sentence to correct them. Toland also knew the death singer Ir Yût's song was a key to open said gateway to the Hive Domain or surpass death by singing with Ir Yût. [u]The mystery of the Speaker and the secret group of warlocks (The Hidden)[/u] The Hidden are a clandestine group of Guardians tasked with silently infiltrating enemy strongholds and gathering vital intel for the Warlocks, with Ikora Rey as the head. Eris in her tower dialogue and a conversation with Ikora Rey hints that the Speaker has a secret. [quote]Eris: It seems I have become more like the Speaker— Ever wonder what's behind the Speaker's mask? Perhaps I will tell you. An eye for an eye, you see? They took one but I took three. The third eye sees more keen in the dark. Cursed to live, so I chose a cursed path. Was I punishing myself? Maybe. Perhaps.[/quote] The mask of the Speaker The Speaker might have been a key witness of the darkness through the hive in exchange for his existence (contradicting i know) [u]The next horrifying fact is that every, single, raider, knew each other...[/u ] Edit TLDR: there seems to be some confusion about pahanin. He in fact witness kabrs fall and as a result he fled and created the SGA to verify his existance because he forgot those who entered the vault.

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                    • Also if you dont have time to get every bit of Grimoire there is a website you can google that has them all posted. I would love to join this group btw!!!

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                    • The Speaker, The Traveler and Rasputin As we Know the Speaker relays messages from the traveler, hence the title speaker. Next is the Warminds and their power and lastly the traveler. Lets start with Rasputin [spoiler]V113NNI070XMX001 SECRET HADAL INSTANT AI-COM/RSPN: SOLSECCENT//SxISR//DEEPSPACE CONTACT CONTACT CONTACT TRANSIENT. NULLSOURCE. NULLTYPE. This is a SKYSHOCK ALERT. Multiple distributed ISR assets report a TRANSIENT NEAR EXTRASOLAR EVENT. Event duration ZERO POINT THREE SECONDS. Event footprint includes sterile neutrino scattering and gravity waves. Omnibus analysis detects deep structure information content (nine sigma) and internal teleonomy. No hypothesis on event mechanism (FLAG ACAUSAL). Bootstrap simulation suggests event is DIRECTED and INIMICABLE (convergent q-Bayes/Monte Carlo probability approaches 1). No hypothesis on deep structure encoding (TCC/NP-HARD). Source blueshift suggests IMMINENT SOLAR ENTRY. Promote event to SKYSHOCK: OCP: EXTINCTION. Activate VOLUSPA. Activate YUGA. Cauterize public sources to SECURE ISIS and harden for defensive action. I am invoking CARRHAE WHITE and assuming control of solar defenses. STOP STOP STOP V113NNI070XMX091[/spoiler] This is where is gets interesting [spoiler]V120NNI800CLS000 CLEAR MORNING OUTCRY AI-COM/RSPN: ASSETS//FORCECON//IMPERATIVE IMMEDIATE ACTION ORDER This is an ALL ASSETS IMPERATIVE (unsecured/OUTCRY) CAUTERIZE. DISPERSE. ESTIVATE. Total strategic collapse imminent. FENRIR HEART reports complete operational mortality. SURTR DROWN in progress but negative effect. Forecasts unanimously predict terminal VOLUSPA failure. As of CLS000 a HARD CIVILIZATION KILL EVENT is in progress across the operational area. I am declaring YUGA SUNDOWN effective on receipt (epoch reach/FORCECON variant). Cancel counterforce objectives. Cancel population protection objectives. Format moral structures for MIDNIGHT EXIGENT. Execute long hold for reactivation. AI-COM/RSPN SIGNOFF STOP STOP STOP V120NNI800CLS001 [/spoiler] Linked info, mentioning of Iris again (Iris is the Traveler) In the Card above rasputin goes offline at his own volition [spoiler]SABER GREEN this is ICE MINARET. We have your launch. Com check. /ICE MINARET this is SABER GREEN we read you. Lattice is tight. Com secure. Abort advisory check? Check is all nominal. You are now on internal power. SABER GREEN, please human-verify your payload status. /Acknowledge human verification request. The words are RIGOR, APEX, SKYSHOCK. I will repeat the payload status now: RIGOR, APEX, SKYSHOCK. Those are the words, SABER. Human crosscheck complete. Fly safe. /Copy your last, MINARET. We are go for final count. We affirm, go payload, go flight, go final count. [interruption: masked voice] Yes, it's RIGOR. Yes, I believe that's correct. Yes, it is, uh, it is an antimatter payload, a strategic asset. Specifically? Ah, I believe it's an annihilation-pumped caedometric weapon. [masked voice] Yes, it's covert, it's under SECURE ISIS. We have good confidence in the vehicle. We are not scrubbing civilian launches or clearing the range. Public inferentials would catch that, it's a security risk. /Six at a hundred. Here we go. Godspeed, SABER. You're all nominal here. [masked voice] We both know where the order came from.[/spoiler] So far based off assumptions that Rasputin knows the exact threat and enters a deep sleep but you might ask why only him. Wouldn't it seem off if your invading a world that has it's defences conveniently shut down? So Rasputin knew and didn't warn anyone. (I will add more here) In a previous post i mentioned [quote]The Iron Lords. Saint-14's crusade against the Fallen. The mask of the Speaker. The great Ahamkara Hunt. Toland's madness. Terrible Faction Wars - and the horrifying, disastrous effort to retake the Moon. [/quote] The Mask of the speaker is a peculiar one due to fact that conversations between Ikora, Eris, Saladin and Zalava all know something dear to the Speaker. Eris Speaks of exchanging eyes with the speaker but Ikora snaps at her. Lets not forget Ikora is the leader of The Hidden in which Eris is a part of. (More inbound)

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                        I personally believe that the Vex in the future have actually won the fight between all the factions and have absorbed them collectively into themselves. We know the Stranger declared the Vex as "evil so evil it despises other evil". The Hive seem like a less evolved form of the Vex in how they operate in relation to their units (quickly swarming, some tough units with a bunch of weaker units). They seem to have incorporated weaponry from the Fallen (hobgoblin snipers) and overall toughness from the Cabal (you blow the heads off of them and it just pisses them off, Minotaurs have no weak points). They also brought in mobile nerve centers (hydras) because they learned the value of instantaneous communication from us. Even with all of these evolving additions, the Vex were unable to escape the cyclical collapse of the universe (a prevalent Bungie theme, see Durandal from Marathon) and have instead gone back in time to see where they went wrong or perhaps even give another faction a chance. They know that humans have a decent understanding of Vex capabilities just from what Shim and his colleagues discovered. They also know that the Cabal seem to understand how important the constructs are just based on where they have built their fortifications on Mars. Finally, the Vex seem particularly interested in the Fallen's ability to resurrect important members of their castes (the priest from the Venus strike being a notable example). This brings us to the various factions that are fighting each other. Human: fighting Fallen, Human, Hive, Cabal - not fighting, none Hive: fighting Fallen and Human - not fighting, Vex, Cabal Cabal: fighting Vex and Human - not fighting, Fallen, Hive Fallen: fighting Vex, Hive, Human - not fighting, Cabal Vex: fighting Fallen, Human, Cabal - not fighting, Hive Only two factions are not fighting at least a three-front war and that is the Cabal and the Hive. The Fallen and Vex are fighting a three-front war, while the humans are fighting a suicidal fight on four fronts. The Fallen are not what they once were, but seem to be reorganizing and consolidating strength under The Queen of the Reef. The Vex are nearly infallible in their calculations, so there must be some underlying logic to taking on a three-front war. Only the humans are foolish/desperate enough to fight all the factions, though they have the Traveler on their side as well as Rasputin. The Hive are something of enigma as to their motivations, but they seem to enjoy devouring light. Logically, it makes sense for them to be targeting humans and the Fallen. The humans have lots of light and the Fallen also seem possess some as well, what with their ability to resurrect powerful Fallen units, though it takes quite a bit of time. Their Servos also seem to be mini versions of the Traveler. This would explain them not going after the Cabal, who seem to be fighting just for the heck of it, and the Vex, who seem to possess a similar darkness that the Hive also have. The Cabal are military powerhouses and have been warring for thousands of years. Their overall mentality seems to imply they enjoy fighting the strongest opponents which means they have accessed the Vex and Humans as being the strongest. The Cabal have managed to hold their own against the Vex, which is no small feat and managed to keep humans out of the exclusion zone up until recently. Not even the Queen with her Fallen could penetrate it. The Hive seem to have little interest in the Cabal and vice versa. What bearing that mutual disinterest has remains to be seen. The Fallen seem to be the faction that got the worst beat down outside of humans. They have been reduced to essentially scavengers and some of the Fallen are houseless. They seem to be in recovery mode, much like humans, but have recovered much more slowly without the aid of a warmind and the Traveler. Only the Queen seems to be helping them and only if they join her. The Fallen also seem to possess some ability to manipulate light, which would naturally make them the enemy of any faction possessing darkness. The Fallen fighting humans however seems somewhat illogical unless they were trying to strengthen themselves by garnering the Traveler's favor. The Vex not fighting the Hive is the most intriguing portion of the above. Are they simply eliminating what they view as the weakest factions before performing a consolidated push against the Hive? Or is there something deeper there? The Vex designed the Mythoclast to be wielded by human hands, so eliminating us does not seem logical. Of course, Atheon could also be leading a rogue Vex offshoot that is trying to alter the future and if that is the case then the rest of the Vex trying to kill us would make sense again. Are what the Vex worship and what the Hive worship one and the same? Are the Hive a less evolved form of the Vex? Do the Vex and Hive ever fight in the future and if so, what repercussions does this have for the Universe? Does the Universe get torn apart at the seams and that is why the Vex want humans in the fight? So many questions...

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                        • Then... Why is the VoG so unimportant in the Destiny history and is the most amazing place on the game??

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                        • For anyone that wants to read all of the grimoire (not just the ones you've unlocked) in a nice well presented way, check out [url=http://destiny-grimoire.info/]this site![/url] I love reading through them on my daily commute

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                          • I think that it is possible that Atheon and the Vex inside of the Vault of Glass have a common goal with the guardians that conducted raids on it. Bungie said before the Dark Below released that the Vex Mythoclast was designed to be one of if not the best weapon for Crota's End. There was also a grimoire card that said that only a weapon of incredible light could defeat the hive (the mythoclast). I believe that the Vex, being able to travel through time, fell to Crota and his army of darkness along with the rest of the Solar System and have now come back in time and created the Vault of Glass as a testing ground to ensure that only the strongest of guardians are able to wield the weapon that would make it possible to defeat Crota before he and the Hive take over the Solar System. There is also a grimoire card that says that the Vex created the mythoclast but are not able to use its power effectively, explaining why they have to find guardians powerful enough to properly use it to stop Crota from wiping out guardians and the Vex alike.

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                            • I like Destiny lore. It's interesting, not entirely interesting, but it has promise.

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                              • I read somewhere Xur as an agent of the nine was a former war mind. Maybe they were all guardians and were elevated into legend by being honoured as a war mind.

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                              • Sticking comment here so hopefully I remember to check for group later.

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