At least many of you. How do I know? I posted for a crota fresh run for anyone not wearing vanguard or faction gear aka gear given to you by bungie allowing you to skip the atheon raid. It's been 30 minutes and only person who joined is wearing full faction gear lmao my posts have slowly gotten more douche baggy over the weeks. Adding more restrictions each week and this restriction was the first that couldn't be even close to being met. If you have 3 different classes and have a piece of vangaurd or faction gear ok w/e but if you have 2 of the same class you should have full raid gear for atheon or iron banner lvl 30 gear if you have been playing remotely consistently (say 1 raid every 2 weeks from launch) and if you bought vangaurd/faction gear as a level 30 (annd weren't the sword bearer) you wasted your time. /rant Edit Logic people Lvl 30 = any gear from atheon, mixed with 1 exotic, mixed with iron banner gear. To level 31 Is 1 exotic and 1 piece of raid gear Lol easy And now Iron banner gloves. Now, let me get drunk on everyone's tears. Edit 2 The question If you were lvl 30, pre crota, and you weren't a sword guy, why take 4 steps backwards (4 pieces of vangaurd or faction gear) when you can simply do ce at your current lvl 30 and achieve lvl 31 via 1 single piece of raid armor from the new raid ? Edit 4 At no point did I say to put your vog gear back on geniuses. I'm showing how vangaurd and faction gear is utterly pointless. 1 piece of raid gear gets you from 30 to 31 and maxes at 32 3 pieces of vangaurd gear gets you to lvl 31 and maxes at 31 So if you were your average 30, getting lvl 31 through vangaurd or faction was pointless. Edit 5 Mostly done responding to this post. I'm an ass yea but half a dozen people below all dropped their tag for me or asked for mine because they know I won't waste their time and wipe several dozen times per checkpoint. Are you bad for wearing vangaurd gear? No, but it says a lot about you depending on your playtime. Good luck scrub raiders who can't hang !