First off I have put a lot of effort into this post, both with instructions, testing, and finally writing. Please keep this post alive so as many people can see it to save themselves from being lagged out or (Ping Flooded out).
Secondly,this hasn't been tested on a MAC, and this usually only works if you use a router while playing online. Most modems already block ICMP (Ping) or cannot be modified to block them.(Please try even if you use a modem for X-box 360 it still might work!)
Thirdly, It's time to stop cheaters!
The Guide Starts Here: (forgive me if I am being to technical, Message me if you are stuck I WILL answer all messages received!)
Open your "Network Connections" then click on your connected line/ then go to support after it opens and you should see a bunch of numbers including your IP, which you do not need. All you need is the "default Gateway" number.
[url=http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v330/blackdrug/?action=view¤t=step1.jpg]Step One[/url]
Open your browser (FireFox or Internet Explorer, etc.) and enter the "Default Gateway" number into the address bar, it should take you to a login screen (if your router has a password & username, which it should, be safe!) After logging in, you are at your Routers Settings! From there access Security/Access Restrictions/ or whatever it may be called. (Linksys calls it Access Restrictions) Then Find where you can block PING and or ICMP, block/disable both and save settings! YOU ARE NOW SAFE! Until cheaters find another way. But I highly dout they will.
[url=http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v330/blackdrug/?action=view¤t=step2.jpg]Step Two[/url]
PS I have Pictures for both steps, (Retrieving "default Gateway" number and then accessing Routers setting) (Those are linked)
Bungie, this last part is for you, I'm in Network Security (2nd Year College) and you might want to Sticky this post. Try it; it works.
LONG LIVE LEGIT GAMING, AND LONG LIVE HALO 3!!!!!
[EDIT]: Adding some Info, If you can Block all PING do it. ICMP should stop lagging out, but if you can block all 3 types of PING do it, UDP TCP are the other forms of PING. Some routers have a mode called "stealth mode" if you have this TURN IT ON!!! :)
[EDIT] I've added how to retrieve your IP on Vista, a great message was sent to me from an awesome player.
"[i] I am running Vista and had to use my networking know how in modifying your steps. To get to where you said in Vista, a person has to perform the following steps: Start, Control Panel, Network and Sharing, then Network Connections. The problem with Vista is that once you get there, there is no support screen to show the IP, Default Gateway, etc as there is in XP. So what I had to do is actually go into my router and find the information. I have a Linksys Router, so I know that the IP address to take me to the admin password prompt is 192.168.1.1, which should be standard for all Linksys routers. Once I was in the router access page I clicked the "status" tab on the upper right corner and that showed me the default gateway...which is bascially a moot point if we're already in the router access page.
What I would suggest is figure out what the other router company standard IP address is to access the user name and password for their model to perform the amazing information you already gave. I would hate to see someone that wants to play legit games getting screwed because they are running Vista and can't figure out how to protect themselves.
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[Edited on 06.05.2008 4:21 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blam From MN If you're using a wireless router, It's the password you type in to connect to the internet (ask anyone who uses router) if it unsecured, try logging in without any, of with Admin as username and no password. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JMacD263 how do i find out my username and password ?[/quote][/quote] LOL, havin a lil trouble myself with figuring out the user name an pw...regardless THX ALOT for your time an effort Blam From MN!
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10 / 10 GREAT WORK GUMSHOE, Now where in the world is Carmen Sandiego???
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I see you hate cheaters as much as me. LONG LIVE LEGIT PLAYERS!!!
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If you're using a wireless router, It's the password you type in to connect to the internet (ask anyone who uses router) if it unsecured, try logging in without any, of with Admin as username and no password. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] JMacD263 how do i find out my username and password ?[/quote]
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*sigh* Please do your homework before getting all defensive. Would you agree that all new(ish) modems have a firewall? Yes. They do. Now the cheaper modems will still have this feature of blocking Ping requests but they will not be visible because you get what you pay for. The older modems usually are configurable through telnet commands but have a very limited web interface. Newer and more expensive modems will have the options on the web interface. This option is almost always preconfigured to block ICMP/PING. Now the problem is Flooding someones IP address, most commonly using the Ping tool on MS operating systems. Multiple computers connected to a network of Bots will ping 1 IP address and will: A, flood the modem firewall B, congest the upstream traffic (hence you "lagging out"). This is a quote from an assessment of the level of threat that DoS attacks pose. I quote: [u]"Safeguard Configure your OS to have a threshold when it receives ping requests. Or block them at the firewall. However the upstream network link can become congested just by the Ping requests" [/u] Congestion is why people lagg out. The ping packets only serve to "clog" the pipes of your connection. Blocking them at the modem is a start, but it will not solve the problem unfortunately! When someone is getting flooded they will usually loose connection to their local exchange for a short time then reconnect with a new IP address/MAC. Once you have this new IP you are safe because the people who are flooding will not have this IP address to flood.
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how do i find out my username and password ?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wizzie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blam From MN First off I have put a lot of effort into this post, both with instructions, testing, and finally writing. Please keep this post alive so as many people can see it to save themselves from being lagged out or (Ping Flooded out). Secondly,this hasn't been tested on a MAC, and this usually only works if you use a router while playing online. Most modems already block ICMP (Ping) or cannot be modified to block them.(Please try even if you use a modem for X-box 360 it still might work!) Thirdly, It's time to stop cheaters! The Guide Starts Here: (forgive me if I am being to technical, Message me if you are stuck I WILL answer all messages received!) Open your "Network Connections" then click on your connected line/ then go to support after it opens and you should see a bunch of numbers including your IP, which you do not need. All you need is the "default Gateway" number. [url=http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v330/blackdrug/?action=view¤t=step1.jpg]Step One[/url] Open your browser (FireFox or Internet Explorer, etc.) and enter the "Default Gateway" number into the address bar, it should take you to a login screen (if your router has a password & username, which it should, be safe!) After logging in, you are at your Routers Settings! From there access Security/Access Restrictions/ or whatever it may be called. (Linksys calls it Access Restrictions) Then Find where you can block PING and or ICMP, block/disable both and save settings! YOU ARE NOW SAFE! Until cheaters find another way. But I highly dout they will. [url=http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v330/blackdrug/?action=view¤t=step2.jpg]Step Two[/url] PS I have Pictures for both steps, (Retrieving "default Gateway" number and then accessing Routers setting) (Those are linked) Bungie, this last part is for you, I'm in Network Security (2nd Year College) and you might want to Sticky this post. Try it; it works. LONG LIVE LEGIT GAMING, AND LONG LIVE HALO 3!!!!! [/quote] This wont work. He is telling us to block PING/ICMP requests but that is already enabled as standard on everyones modem (that is up to date). When you get packet flooded the firewall on the modem will block the packets (unless you are in DMZ) but you will still be lagged offline. Just think, major corporations all around the world still get their web sites/servers DoSsed and flooded regularly and there is little much they can do about it unless they invest in Enterprise standard security. for example i have always had this option enabled so that i am secure against port scans ect but i still get lagged offline when IP flooded at level 50. I have the modem logs to proove it and i have sent them off to my ISP. [u]ADVANCED FEATURE! You can configure the Router not to respond to an ICMP Ping (ping to the WAN port). This offers a heightened level of security. More Info Block ICMP Ping > Enabled [/u] Sorry folks, but this isn't the miracle cure we are looking for. Besides if you do not have this enabled already then you are at a GREAT risk. This part of the firewall exists to make your network invisible to hackers and automated port scanners. If you do not have it turned on already then your network can be at high risk.[/quote] You're not exactly right, I say all PING should be BLOCKED but ICMP if anything, because WAN just usually is Standard disable. I believe you are wrong and for some reason, stubborn? Try it, it works, now I'm off to work.
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Just a foot note among many thing I'm learning in college.
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did you go to college for that ?
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BLOCK them, they are bad just like the flood.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] wizzie No disrespect to the OP though, his intentions were noble.[/quote] Here's where your wrong, most Modems, YOU CAN'T even edit setting let alone disable ICMP/Or any PING. So it is always open. If you Block it on your router you should not and will not lag off line.
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i already have something that blocks people from doinmg this, but i think you deserve recon for this
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ICMP/PING SHOULD be blocked as standard. If it is not blocked then your network is not in "stealth" and can be visible to Hackers and port scanners. This DOES NOT stop flooding but it should be enabled anyway as part of your home network security.
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soooo, we shouldnt set the ICMP and Ping to be blocked?
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No disrespect to the OP though, his intentions were noble.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Blam From MN First off I have put a lot of effort into this post, both with instructions, testing, and finally writing. Please keep this post alive so as many people can see it to save themselves from being lagged out or (Ping Flooded out). Secondly,this hasn't been tested on a MAC, and this usually only works if you use a router while playing online. Most modems already block ICMP (Ping) or cannot be modified to block them.(Please try even if you use a modem for X-box 360 it still might work!) Thirdly, It's time to stop cheaters! The Guide Starts Here: (forgive me if I am being to technical, Message me if you are stuck I WILL answer all messages received!) Open your "Network Connections" then click on your connected line/ then go to support after it opens and you should see a bunch of numbers including your IP, which you do not need. All you need is the "default Gateway" number. [url=http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v330/blackdrug/?action=view¤t=step1.jpg]Step One[/url] Open your browser (FireFox or Internet Explorer, etc.) and enter the "Default Gateway" number into the address bar, it should take you to a login screen (if your router has a password & username, which it should, be safe!) After logging in, you are at your Routers Settings! From there access Security/Access Restrictions/ or whatever it may be called. (Linksys calls it Access Restrictions) Then Find where you can block PING and or ICMP, block/disable both and save settings! YOU ARE NOW SAFE! Until cheaters find another way. But I highly dout they will. [url=http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v330/blackdrug/?action=view¤t=step2.jpg]Step Two[/url] PS I have Pictures for both steps, (Retrieving "default Gateway" number and then accessing Routers setting) (Those are linked) Bungie, this last part is for you, I'm in Network Security (2nd Year College) and you might want to Sticky this post. Try it; it works. LONG LIVE LEGIT GAMING, AND LONG LIVE HALO 3!!!!! [/quote] This wont work. He is telling us to block PING/ICMP requests but that is already enabled as standard on everyones modem (that is up to date). When you get packet flooded the firewall on the modem will block the packets (unless you are in DMZ) but you will still be lagged offline. Just think, major corporations all around the world still get their web sites/servers DoSsed and flooded regularly and there is little much they can do about it unless they invest in Enterprise standard security. for example i have always had this option enabled so that i am secure against port scans ect but i still get lagged offline when IP flooded at level 50. I have the modem logs to proove it and i have sent them off to my ISP. [u]ADVANCED FEATURE! You can configure the Router not to respond to an ICMP Ping (ping to the WAN port). This offers a heightened level of security. More Info Block ICMP Ping > Enabled [/u] Sorry folks, but this isn't the miracle cure we are looking for. Besides if you do not have this enabled already then you are at a GREAT risk. This part of the firewall exists to make your network invisible to hackers and automated port scanners. If you do not have it turned on already then your network can be at high risk. [Edited on 06.05.2008 9:11 AM PDT]
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Well, i'm waking up to go to work and I just hope Bungie sees this and actually tries it first hand.
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Thank you.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BoydtheUsurper I have a dLink router. There is an option to block WAN ping and it is disabled...is this what I should enable?[/quote] If you believe in the OP's post, then yes, this is what you should enable.
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Thread saved and bumped. I hope this info helps to provide an overall better experience with Halo 3. I'm between residences at the moment so I'll save this thread, run it by my roommate (he's the IT guy) and try it this weekend. Thanks for the info.
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This is a great guide and potentially very important. Bungie please Sticky this!!
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I have no such settings on my router for ping and icmp(?), under my firewall section I have a setting for DOS Protection, will enabling this do the same? [EDIT] The answer to my question is yes I believe, the help says it will protect against: * SYN DoS * ICMP DoS * Per-host DoS protection I'll give it a try, thanks OP [Edited on 06.05.2008 9:05 AM PDT]
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I have a dLink router. There is an option to block WAN ping and it is disabled...is this what I should enable?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TVI Mr Smith [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DVDA 02 As long as we are on the topic of IP flooding. On average, out of say 100 games to make the math easy, how many games out of 100 do you feel like you get cheated by some form of flooding- if any at all?[/quote] Not many, maybe 5 out of 100? But as far as I'm concerned that's 5 too many.[/quote] Oh I totally agree that even 1 is 1 to many. I was just curious about how often people think/know that this happens to them. Anyone else have a guess? Perhaps I should actually make this a separate thread/poll. I don't want to distract from all the fine help/work Bam from MN has done.
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Am I mistaken or does putting your 360 in the DMZ to get an open NAT bypass all those functions? I have a security router that is set up for my home business that has all the bells and whistles turned on and I still get lagged out. Also, it was my understanding that a denial of service attack jammed the connection up, not overwhelmed your hardware. Maybe I'm wrong though, my education dealt with designing aircraft and production management.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DVDA 02 As long as we are on the topic of IP flooding. On average, out of say 100 games to make the math easy, how many games out of 100 do you feel like you get cheated by some form of flooding- if any at all?[/quote] Not many, maybe 5 out of 100? But as far as I'm concerned that's 5 too many.