Let me start off by saying that I've been playing Hunter since launch, and have been through both raids, so I understand quite a bit about the game. I just come here today looking for some clarification and advice on how to properly use Blade Dancer when it comes to PvE play. Also, let's neglect Crota's End from the conversation because we're all aware of the advantages to using invisibility to get through a large portion of it. All that being said, I'm at a constant struggle as to which subclass I prefer. This is because I do love playing Gunslinger most of the time, but find the survivability lacking as it's the only subclass with no health regen talent.. of course making me want to go back to Blade Dancer. So I swap over, but find that through strikes I generate FAR less orbs for my team, and generally miss having the amazing bonuses of Chain of Woe and Gunslinger's Trance that basically turn any weapon into pure gold. To give you an idea - the new Black Garden strike with an abundance of Vex Majors, I would only generate TWO ORBS per kill if I could actually manage it with Arc Blade.. but Golden Gun.. DOUBLE THAT. So what gives, Hunters? Obviously people use both subclasses for all sorts of things, but is our class really pigeon-holed into Gunslinger PvE and Blade Dancer PvP? Gunslinger is still fun in PvP for sure, but Blade Dancer doesn't seem to be as immediately able to swap it's style of play to the PvE side. I still can lead my team in kills, the survival is better because of blink strike healing.. but my Super feels so useless! Also I don't want to hear about invisibility being used to go resurrect a teammate because that's the same concept as people being upset with Sunsingers for sitting on their Supers until they've died to use it. Not to mention going invis to bring someone back doesn't also end in me getting to grenade spam. No orbs for the team, no extra kills for me, literally just an invisible medic. Ugh. All in all I can succeed with both subclasses in both areas, it's just that unlike when I play my Warlock, the Hunter seems to have distinctly better performance with one subclass in PvP and the other PvE. Any tips, tricks, play styles, or builds that people use to rock Blade Dancer effectively in PvE? [b]Edit[/b]: Thank you for all the input so far, Hunters! I'm going to try switching around my build a little bit to see if I can improve upon my usefulness to my team at least in terms of orb generation and higher kill counts with my Super. The big tip would be instead of Fast Twitch + Hungering Blade, to go for Escape Artist (+Shadowjack) + Encore. I didn't consider such a use of stealth before as valuable as healing, but since Hungering Blade [i]requires a kill[/i] to heal yourself it definitely can backfire in a pinch. I will most likely pass on the suggestions for Alpha Lupi or Lucky Raspberry though. From what I understand Alpha really only improves orb generation by a small margin so I'd rather not give up Don't Touch Me or Mask of the Third Man for it, and where I do agree that the arcbolt grenade is the best for PvE, I'm not totally sold on the chest piece to improve it. Mostly because with Don't Touch Me perks you'll have more Super regen from enemy kills AND this being paired with having a legendary helm for more Super energy from grenade kills means you should have your Super up so often that it's utterly ridiculous. The argument then becomes which would be preferred - More orbs from Supers less often or Supers more often just with fewer orbs per use.. and I choose the latter. I still think that Gunslinger is going to be more useful in most PvE situations, but it's nice to challenge ourselves, and when I still end up at the top of the kill count it feels damn good. [b]Edit 2[/b]: Can't wait to get home today and try out some of these new combos of abilities! Keep any further input and ideas coming, Hunters! I'm sure there are more players out there beside myself who are looking for ways to improve. Many on this forum think Hunters are the noob class, but clearly it takes going that extra mile for us to shine as brightly beyond just a kill count, so bring on the challenge! [b]Edit 3[/b]: If one more person tells me to just go with stealth to be able to revive teammates I'm going to just mute them. Read the post please. Stealth on Arc Blade is NOT what I'm going for here. I do NOT want to hold onto my Super JUST IN CASE I need to go revive a fallen teammate. NO, just NO. Also, it would be useful if people read the full post before commenting because then they would realize this already. Thanks for your input, but sorry, I get frustrated when people don't read and waste all of our time. [b]Edit 4[/b]: Tested tonight and Escape Artist + Shadow Jack + Encore are definitely the way to go. Almost impossible to die when you can just melee anything near you and have 6+ seconds to escape and reposition. Encore and Mask of the Third Man together keep Arc Blade going long enough that I can definitely manage to put down 3-4 orbs for my team as well which is not at all bad. Much thanks to the helpful Hunters in my thread today, you guys rock. See you out there, Guardians :)