Just a thought I had since I recently snagged BH from crota after beating the raid, and I'm sure I'll catch some hate from the people who deep throat IB's nutsack, but anyone can pick up ice breaker and do decently well due to the fact that it regens ammo so they don't have to worry about missing crits or altogether, whereas black hammer actually requires you to have skill with a sniper and actually be able to hit headshots everytime to keep the ammo flowing (and honestly if your not almost always hitting headshots you don't deserve to be sniping in the first place) anyone who thinks otherwise I'd like to hear your opinion (but please try to actually have a logical argument, not something like "icebreaker pwns everything n00b, I'm gud ur not #yoloswagswagima12yearold") Go Edit: this is purely from a PvE standpoint, I think pretty much everyone can agree P&T is in most situations the superior PvP sniper Edit 2: obviously most of the IB fanboys out there didn't get the point the of this post, I never said one sniper was better then the other, although you all seem to somehow think I'm implying that I guess, I said that BH takes more skill to use well then IB, for -blam!-s sake some of you kids really need to hop off that guns nut sack lol