I actually can outgun most Mythoclast users with my Thorn or my new crucible Auto rifle "For the People" I obtained from an engram. It is basically a legendary Shingen with field scout, (Hooray for 56 rounds!) cascade, (Barrier melee!) and third eye. Aiming for the head is key. I also can outgun them with a well executed shotgun attack. The Vex is likened unto the Suros, it is a shadow of its former self. Do you realize that the Mythoclast used to avoid shields in PVE and melt enemies like butter? It's an ok weapon now. The people who complain that the Vex is overpowered are either new, or ignorant. The old Vex could kill someone in 4-5 shots in PVP.

well l'm not new and I am certainly not ignorant! I know it can be defeated l have done so many times but more often than not vex wins I know it was nerfed before 34% or something I didn't really pay much attention because it was so rare but as it has become more common its starting to be in almost every game I'm fine with it in pve that doesn't "hurt" anyone but in pvp vex users rarely if ever lose, and l don't accept that those who "earned" it by playing the same, albeit difficult, level / fight over and over with 5 other people makes them somehow inherently better at pvp, some yes most no this is an opinion formed from my negative, one sided experience with the vex thank you for sharing your thoughts but l wont be replying in this thread for the reasons stated above I would be happy to continue this discussion in a thread posted by a grown up! Although I don't know what else I would have to say