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Edited by EMTaylor1: 12/31/2014 10:06:42 PM
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Crota's End final fight 3rd chest - discussion

During the final fight with Crota, once the team starts fighting the swordbarers, one of the blue gatekeepers you had to kill with the sword to pass the bridge spawns above the Crystal summoning room. (It appears one spawns with each sword drop)(If you jump high enough from one of the pillars he is visable. He has also on occation walked all the way forward to the railing.) So far, we have speculated that there is an area only openable (possibly by the sword carrier) after killing this gatekeeper with the sword, that should contain the 3rd chest. Edit: It is now understood how to get up to the gatekeepers. There are two ways so far. Jumping along the rocks from where crota spawns around the top and dropping down. Or, with a titans booster jump, from the top of the yellow pillar lamp you can jump over the invisible barrier. Several ideas as to how to get there include: - jumping up with sword in hand (perhaps working like a barrier key like walking on the bridge.) - does not work. -It may be a timed trigger for when the barrier drops or this area becomes accessable/unaccessable before, during, or after boss fight. -still unknown These are the primary ideas being worked on and tested, with minor differences in attempts. I personally have been working to test these methods and explore options further. If you believe you have valuable info to add, please comment your ideas and experiences. We need a group effort as a community to try and figure these things out. The idea that this gatekeeper would be spawning for no reason other than to look at him from afar just feels wrong. There must be a reason. Perhaps it's all just part of a hard raid only fight mechanic that's yet to be seen, or maybe, it's ment for normal as well. Let's figure this out guys! Edit: will try to update as more info comes in. If you have proof of concepts for ideas, please post it as well. Edit: We have since found a way inside. We are working to test the ability to trade the sword to the person inside while crota is spawned. Edit: we have been able to get a sword to the top and to kill the gatekeepers as they spawn. The gatekeepers are just replaced by new ones as you kill them. No chest has been found so far. Edit: after killing Crota, if you jump up there, any remaining gatekeepers can be found just laying down on the ground, like they are taking a nap, very strange. Not sure what else is possible from here. Please comment ideas.

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  • Is there a way to link a thread from the app? My most recent thread is about a new room I think I found under crota. Might be a teleport thing in there?

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  • I'm working on Soloing Crota right now with my Lock. I never left the crystal room and never killed a sword bearer and TWO gatekeepers spawned above me.

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  • As much as I love the idea of discovering chests by puzzles, which Bungie could have easily implemented more of, I believe there is no hope for a third chest in Crota's End Raid. My theory, as chest spawn forums generally consist of, is that there would only be two in this raid. This would be so because past has shown that Bungie loves the divine number 7. There were 5 chests in the VOG and presumably only 2 in Crota's E.R. equaling 7 total. Therefore, it is doubtful to find anymore chests until the House of Wolves expansion. Yet my Borderlands type mentality still leads me to explore uncharted territory...

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    • Or it's just bungie saving time and being lazy. I'm sure they coded each sword bearer to spawn a gatekeeper. So instead of making a new code they just put the gatekeepers in a location that wouldn't change how they wanted the fight to be.

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      • They are probably there to stop people from camping up there

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      • Could have to be with hardmode just like in the lanterns it says "fireteam revives disabled" hard mode is already in the Normal version just doesn't take Affect yet. Get what I mean?

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        • Why are lamps listed when you die? Maybe if you complete abyss without activating any lamps...

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        • Considering the fact that VoG has like 7 chests and most can be found in the Gorgon's Labyrinth. As well as the area with platforms just outside the Gatekeeper... I kinda believe there has to be specific triggers in the dark zone on CE & during the bridge fight that we haven't thought of. Anyone ever check any other rooms -after- the bridges were formed on the darkness zone & gatekeepers in CE?

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        • If you wait like three minutes after killing crota, the game will end and you have a chance for an exotic

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          • An added step in hard mode to kill Crota? Atheon added bubbles - this adds a gate keeper?

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          • The fact that there is an invisible barrier indicates that players are not intended to go up there. The gatekeepers are there to kill any players who somehow manage to break in. IMO.

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          • It's part of the hard raid man that's gonna be crazy;)

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          • Has anyone ever tried killing Crota after he's been enraged? Also, maybe you have to kill a certain amount of oversouls to trigger something.

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            • I keep going back to the grimoires and seeing the part of Toland wanting to learn the WHOLE song. Has anyone tried to kill ir yut with one second left on the timer?

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              • Have you tried hitting the crystal with the sword? or maybe it's an alternate path to crota?

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              • Maybe those gatekeepers tie into hard mode!?!0_0

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              • Didnt take the time to read through comments but i wanted to note that my 6 man team tried doing the first part without activating lanterns and northing happened There was an ogre and 3 sword knights that spawned on the other side of the bridge though, sorta weird. Didnt find anything though Off topic: Any warlocks out there not getting gloves?

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                • Edited by Flashback0902: 1/12/2015 3:44:27 PM
                  Have you tried getting up there before crota and try to summon him there.

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                  • Last line of Crota's Grimoire card: "The nature and interconnectedness of the Vex Gate Systems and the Hive netherworld have yet to be explored." I feel there is a way to get more loot out of one or the other by jumping between them somehow. Maybe defeating crota and killing a gatekeeper to get into Vault somewhere. Sounds crazy but this line on the grimoire has me very intrigued.

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                    • I know, that the gatekeeper defend this zone against glitchers/cheaters. I don't think that there is a chest. Look at the details, they a much too small up there. If you look at the atheon chests you can see that every chest room a designed. And the zone up there isn't it.

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                      • I still think its very strange that after the wizard fight (where you Dont get any drops). You have to clear all the boomers and knights. This takes quite some time. Isnt this time added so you can acces the room with the 3rd chest?

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                      • Edited by w3rdblader: 1/3/2015 12:46:48 AM
                        Fairly certain the only spawn for one of two reasons, either they coded the game so that anytime a sword bearer dies a gatekeeper spawns, and rather than making a second set of code for the sword bearers at the boss fight, they just made gatekeepers spawn in an "unreachable" location. The other option being that they intentionally put them there because none of the bloomer knights shoot at you of you are on the top floor above the Crystal, so they spawn gatekeepers to keep you from "cheesing" him by not having to worry about getting shot by them or the ogres.

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                        • Have you tried doing it during deathsingers gaze maybe?

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                          • Edited by Void: 1/12/2015 11:24:03 PM
                            I feel like the deathsinger has something to do with triggering a chest considering she doesn't give any rewards. After she is beaten with some sort of method, it can spawn in a chest and probably despawn when the crystal is touched to spawn crota. (Can be a reason why there is a barrier when you summon crota). Any ideas? EDIT: Apparently she gives rewards now. :/

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                            • I did everything possible ran the lights with out touching them. Killed the wizard's under a minute you named it iv done it, why cant any one exercise there are just only 2 chests in this raid

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                            • Not to get annoying with posts, but a thought about the wizards. In theory youbare supposed to have the song start right away. Meaning the shriekers will spawn immediately. Might try synchronizing kills from both sides and killing the wizards as close to their original spot as possible. Leroy Jenkins style that part from both sides.

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