You need to have maxed out weapons. I run vision of confluence, praedyths revenge and truth usually. I might switch to patience and time for atheon if I run out of heavy. I don't own ice breaker or gjallerhorn unfortunately. You can do it as a 29 but you'll die a lot if your group isn't mostly 30s. 29s can die very quickly. You already have to play conservatively as a 30. Play smart. If you're a hunter wear knucklehead radar. It helps a lot since you'll spend the majority of the raid scoped in. Awareness is everything. Know where the enemies are at all times. If you miss a suplicant or fanatic it can mean a wipe for the entire team. Play errors are unacceptable. You must play without flaws. This should go without saying, but keep back from the mobs of enemies. Know where cover is and be able to get to it quickly. The opening section shouldnt need a guide. Just have void heavies equipped and call out minotaurs. Simple. During the confluxes I like the pillars in the back. I stand on them. Make sure you hide in the spirit bloom chest area when the templar summons it's legions. During oracles I hide in the back steps. Any of them will do since the snipers can't get you. Another oracle method is to wipe and have the team snipe from the top. During the templar have the relic holder hide under the middle section and the warlocks and titans will toss grenades at the templar until he goes off the edge. Gorgons maze isn't any different from the normal version. No worries here. The portals is probably the section that is most easy to screw up. There's no easy way to do it. In the beginning I take cover on the left side in between the pillars and poke out and take out the hobgoblins. Once the precursors are down, take out the gatekeeper. Don't push up at this part. You'll either get sniped or killed by a well placed grenade. Stay behind the steps. Once the portals come up, send 3 people into Mars. Two of the supporters should have truth or gjallerhorn. The other person will be the relic holder. Get in and out in under a minute or your entire team will likely die. The other 3 people can't hold the plate forever. If you're on the plate, stand on the pillars. Watch for goblins in front and behind you. Call out praetoreans. Have void weapons equipped and for God's sake do not stand on the floor. Never, ever stand on the floor. Always be elevated. Once the first portal is cleared, two people will go into the second. One relic holder and one rocket user. The rocket user will be solely responsible for killing the gatekeeper, so make sure this player is good. Gjallerhorn preferred but truth works just as well. The relic holders only job is to cleanse the person who is picking up the second relic. On the outside, two people will take the plate and two will take conflux. Someone on the outside is bound to mess this part up. Have the best people on the plate. The plate is harder than the conflux since there are less places to hide. Again, void weapons. That's the only way you'll survive this. The only other advice I can give is don't stand on the floor. Even the conflux team. They should be shooting the minotaurs from afar. Once the relic guys make it back out, it gets easy. Just don't die and kill everything in sight. This part of the raid requires incredible teamwork. If you have nooby team mates, you'll fail. Atheon should be relatively easy. This is the portal teams to fail. Being outside is pretty easy. You just stay elevated and shoot supplicants. Make sure the relic holder knows what they're doing. Most of the wipes will occur because the relic holder died and the other guys couldn't kill the oracles. Please make sure all the oracles are dead before exiting the portal. This is where AE and VOC are crucial. Once times vengeance is up, gather on the middle platform on the right side. The relic holder will continuously hold up the cleansing bubble. A titan will put up weapons of light in the back of the platform for bonus damage. And everyone will shoot atheon with either rockets or snipers. Not both. If you chose snipers you'll want to aim for his weak point. Rockets and Nades make him move. Once times vengeance is up make sure you exit the platform quickly or prepare to die a timely death (lol) by atheon. Repeat once or twice and congrats you've beaten the vault of glass on hard. Or have you. Is there a secret section? Is this why you don't get taken to orbit?

Until you can get the Level 26 Raid out of the way in half an hour, don't move to the Level 30 Raid. Unless you have Atheon's Epilogue or Vision of Confluence at 300 Damage, don't move to the Level 30 Raid. [i]Unless you're 29+ that can complete the level 26 raid in half an hour with maxed out A's E, VoC, IceBreaker and Gjallarhorn, don't move to the Level 30 Raid.[/i]

Best heavy you can get, icebreaker, VOC, and at Confluxes in between the rounds his in chest hole, have heavy synthesis lots, at oracles wipe and set the team up where u spawn and snipe them all while one guy hidesabove Templar and shoots hidden oracle, and mainly firepower man.

How did your first hard raid go? I just did my first earlier this week. I didn't feel much difference between the 2. Just play smart. It didn't seem harder to me. I only died once between the start and arriving at the gatekeeper. Gatekeeper part I died a couple times but lucky I could self rez. Same with my team. No wipes on atheon.

When u reach atheon dont jump as he is teleporting people. You get detain bubbles now

When you defend the confluxes you can send one skilled high level to defend right. Near the pillars where you first jump down there is a short wall you can take cover behind and have a perfect line of sight to the enemy spawn. This way you can have more man power on the left since it gets overrun with enemies fast. Just make sure one guy on middle is in position to back up right if shit goes down.

What console u runnin on? My team runs hard in 1 hour 20 min and we typically only take that long cuz we switch toons to get the checkpoints real quick. But if ur on one give me ur gamer tag we some times will take 1 newby through teach them how it all works if ur interested message me

[b]1.)[/b] Have great communication. Especially during the Conflux stage when Minotaurs come. [b]2.)[/b] Oracle stage is doable on the ground, but much easier if you wipe and snipe the Oracles from the top spawn area. [b]3.)[/b] Templar push off is still your best bet. It only takes an extra 5 minutes or so to kill him legit. Granted that's if you're on a good team and don't wipe. [b]4.)[/b] When you get teleported during the Atheon encounter those who don't get teleported will be detained. Make sure no one is jumping while the Time Gate opens. Realistically everything on hard is the same on normal, just with more HP, other than #4. The only real tip I have, that most people don't do on normal, is; During Times Vengeance when everyone jumps to the middle platform to shoot Atheon have one player, usually your lowest level player or a Hunter with Golden Gun, on Supplicant duty. His job would be to kill any left over Supplicants, once they're all dead he can then shoot Atheon. If you have a Titan in your fire team have him pop a Weapons of Light bubble on the very back of the middle platform and have everyone grab the buff for shooting Atheon. At about 2 seconds left in Times Vengeance have the Titan pop a bubble around all of you so you can stay on the middle platform. Mind you, everyone has to work their way to the back of the bubble so those who stay and get detained can shoot themselves out of their detainment. As you cannot shoot detainment bubbles while in a Titan bubble. This is the strategy we use, it's a bit difficult to get everyone setup on the same page, especially with new groups doing it for the first time, but after a bit of practice it's like clockwork. Usually doesn't take my team more than 2-3 teleports to down Atheon, if the bugs stay away.

Make sure to find cover with 5 seconds left of Times Vengeance. On hard whoever didn't get teleported inside the portal gets detained. And if the outside team doesn't take cover then they are likely to be killed by a nearby supplicant or be detained in midair and fall out the bottom. Everyone should attack the minotaur You can sneak up on the hobgoblins if their backs are towards you. Just don't jump. They'll hear it. Sprinting is fine. Avoid grenades during Times Vengeance. It moves Atheon around too much and you're at risk of sticking one to the back of your teammates head and blowing yourself up. On hard you only get one life. No revives.