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11/17/2014 5:47:19 AM
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Gjallarhorn vs The Swarm (With Field Scout) on Atheon. By the numbers.
If you pug and play the raid you see everyone posting they either have or want players with the G Horn. But how much damage does it do compared to a FS Swarm? This is strictly by the numbers, simple math in a perfect world for max damage potential.
A fully ugraded G Horn on a level 30 on Hard does 12,000 damage on impact and 1,100 (rounded down) from every Wolf Pack submunition. So 12,000 + 8,800 = 20,800 per Rocket. G Horn holds 2 rockets per mag (41,600 damage per mag)
Most players hold 7 rockets at once but a few with the right gear can hold up to 8, but it is rare so 7 is the number we will use. 7 • 20,800 = 145,600 damage for all 7. (166,400 for 8)
A Swarm with Field Scout holds a 60 round drum, and on a 30 on VoG Hard does 2,500 damage (rounded down) a crit per round. So 60 • 2,500 = 150,000 damage for one mag of 60 rounds is the max damage potential for a FS Swarm. But we all know criting with all 60 isnt going to happen, its just not. However criting with ½ a mag, now thats doable. 1,200 a body shot • 30 = 36,000 + 75,000 = 111,000 damage per 60 round mag.
If you hold 7 G Horn rockets you also hold 180 rounds for a FS Swarm (rounded down from 181). With the same method as above we can show max damage and realistic damage. 150,000 • 3 = 450,000 max and 111,000 • 3 = 333,000 more realistic. And more than twice the damage as the G Horn but it can take 2-3 Times of vengence to get all 180 out. With G Horn getting all 7 out in ToV is doable but very unlikely, unless you pop a heavy ammo just before ToV.
Not to mention wiping costs heavy ammo at a rate of 1-2 rockets (20,800 - 41,600 damage) vs 13 Swarm rounds.
Would you use G Horn if you were behind on killing the Oracles or a Swarm?
Results in several catagorys:
Max Damage overall: Swarm
Damage per mag: Swarm
Damage in a 20 second window (7 rockets vs 70-90 Rounds) G Horn (by a hair)
Usefulness on Oracles: Swarm
Usefulness on Praetoian: G Horn
Usefulness on supplicants: Swarm
Less likely to kill operator: Swarm
Damage loss per death: G Horn
Weapon with less restrictions: Swarm (Frees up an Exotic to be used like Ice Breaker)
Winner: Swarm, as long as it has Field Scout.
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Yea... Black hammer... Asshats who use their rockets ruin my attempts to chain the hammer.. I can get 15 shots at 20kish a piece if dumbasses dont make atheon run all over
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1 ReplyNoob- all black hammers and weapons of light
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4 Replies8 shots with ghorn? How?
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5 RepliesEdited by TeFugo: 4/21/2015 11:52:35 AMMost efficient way, all 6 with black hammers/ice breakers. Equip machine gun in heavy. Easier to make up a team of 6 with those requirements. For icing on the cake, voc won't hurt either. If half your team is shooting rockets and half snipers it will fudge up the crits. So for quickest atheon kill, all rockets or no rockets. Edit: I use voc, black hammer and sga for my go to atheon loadout. Gives me more flexibility including Oracles.
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1 ReplyPfff black hammer.
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Edited by TheLastGunslingr: 1/27/2015 3:07:47 PMFusion rifles for the win on Atheon. That way those who have the gjhorn can use it, people can use sticky grenades, etc etc. I find trying to crit him is a waste if time and effort. Edit Also op is a moron.
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[quote]With G Horn getting all 7 out in ToV is doable but very unlikely.[/quote] Ghorn with speed reload perk on can fire all 7 rockets in about 10 seconds. I almost always fire all 7 and then get a whole clip form my Vision in before Times Vengeance is done.
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3 RepliesNow go back and do corrective measure with field scout! That's what I always run and it eats through him
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I hardly ever use GHorn against atheon. It's not hard to down him in 2 teleports without it.
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Corrective measure on atheon
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1 ReplyEdited by OBaIMA: 4/21/2015 9:46:11 AMThunderlord > Swarm Gjallarhorn > Everything Your maths is dumb, btw.. You've not even taken into account the fact you can fire 4+ rockets in the time it takes to shoot 180 Swarm bullets.. Or the fact you won't hit 100% of shots and get a 50% chance of crit.. And that Gjallarhorn does not need crit hits and will never miss. :)
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Your maths as a big flaw, you should state that your numbers are according to 100% accuracy, in a fight you will be shot causing flinching and movement, that means slowing the rate of fire , with g horn there isn't that problem shoot and watch spawns melt..
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I'm happy I kept my swarm
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It takes a lot longer to use all ammo for the Swarm than it does for the Gjallarhorn. So when all Gjallarhorn rockets are used, you could take out a sniper and use that. Meanwhile, someone with the swarm would still be shooting. So basically; Gjallarhorn + Sniper > The Swarm.
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26 RepliesWow, people are seriously trying to compare other guns too the gjallahorn, the gjallahorn is the best gun in the game no doubt, it's useful in every way like killing oracles, the gjallahorn one shots those and everything else on that list, the swarm doesn't even compare so don't try to make it seem like it does...
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3 RepliesYour using Crit damage for swarm but you can't Crit oracles or crota .... So the math is faulty.
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3 RepliesWhy not ghorn vs thunderlord? You know the 2 competitors for top heavy exotic??
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Edited by wholeshizer: 2/3/2015 1:18:21 PMSince swarm doesn't usually come with field scout this is a pointless thread Also ghorn can take out two oracles at once which you didn't factor
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It's all about dps in 20-25 seconds. You don't have all day to be reloading and firing a whole clip of the swarm
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7 RepliesI would like to see this same thing done with black hammer (assuming an accurate user with all crits) and thunderlord
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Corrective measure all day
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Nice post. Bump!
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My Efredeet's Spear is void so its perfect for v.o.g. and I have quick reload and bonus damage on final round plus perfect balance. With weapons of light and times vengeance my Efredeet's does 21,000 per crit and final round is around 27,300. I enjoy using that.
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How about a 331 Against All Odds with field scout? 50 rounds a drum. 151 total round reserve. Tied with Jolder's Hammer for the hardest hitting LMG in the game.
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What about swarm vs thunderlord?
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9 RepliesYou'll blow yourself up trying to shoot through shield with GHorn so Swarm.
