I play a lot of Crucible, and frankly find the raid to be boring. I won't wear the armor. To me it just shows someone who was willing to spend a lot of time on a raid that doesn't take much skill... just a lot of time and team-mates. Yeah you need to coordinate. To me skill is going 28 kills for 1 death in Crucible, or getting multiple reign of terror badges or greater than 7 kills/0 deaths. For all the guys that can get raid gear... only 1 in 10 could do that. How many times do I play against or have on my team level 27 and up that can't exceed .26 kill death ratios. Everyone can have bad games, but these are the guys that play the raid, can get the raid armor and then they really just suck. I'm looking forward to REAL armor from Iron Banner and I'll respect anyone who wears it. Please don't make the Iron Banner bounties easier, make them HARDER. If someone has an armor that can only be won with accumulation or Kill Death ratios over 4 then I will give them respect. Maybe also accumulation of "best around" and "on the bright side". There are elite badges to be earned in crucible and Iron Banner. Seems like the new Iron Banner will make it so the Raid armor owners can win against players they can't beat in Crucible.