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...know I am necro here but...Has anyone, when templar is out and live, let all oracles spawn and then killed them in musical order - or can that even be done? Had a look about google and have never seen tell of it tried. Excuse ignorance, but only started doing the raids the last few weeks and have only once a week ran so all the mechanics is not down in my head yet. The fact that the 6th chest has apparently been spawned in the Vex Portal in the Jumping puzzle [recently - yet poster could not recreate in their video] makes me think something else has to be about in here and they have definately overcoded/designed the whole vault for something not to be hidden still.

Maybe at one point we could of saved Kabr but like alot of other things I do beleive it was cut from the game before release.

Has any one made it to the templar to start the instance but not jump off the ledge, and then take the secret path back up? It's tricky but you can make it back into kabr secret path. It always seemed weird the trials of kabr took you into the vault when kabr couldn't escape and was consumed.

HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I remember this post. Entire community was hyped up for his stream and he couldn't even jump on a ledge. I LOL'd so hard IRL

Damn I wish I had a team to do this with, it sounds fun

What if... Sounds crazy and may be a far shot but what if only 3 people went in with only the first exotics, you know the ones that were forged from the guardians that first completed the raid.

12/6 I have been watching and reading. I applaud the players debunking some of the tougher theories like not dieing, no wipe, hard mode start to finish or the players who managed to get the relic from the gatekeeper checkpoint back to the gorgons maze to try on a gorgon. I could probably fill another post with info just debunking all the things listed below by the community. See both this thread and the sub thread are max characters. . Please bump this post to keep it at the top. Is there a secret left to find? Originally, I wanted to get kabr out of the vault. It borderline seems improbable we wouldn't run into an evil kabr. Follow the lore like I have and you might come to the same conclusion but after all the debunking and theorizing I have come up with this. It is very possible more chests lie inside the vog. The vog secret chests seem to rely on a mix of actions taken by the players during battle and which paths the raid party takes while moving from checkpoint to checkpoint. Example, if you take the path that opens behind the templar and not the bloom chest path, the chest rewarded for of preventing the templars teleports vanishes. Follow that line of thinking and even if we manage to activate a trigger, like not being seen by the gorgons, we would ALSO need to find the right path. Which leads me to my next point, where could this last chest or chests be? Well, we have found at least 1 location that would clearly not exist without the possibility of a chest. This is the cave toward the lower end of the jumping puzzle. I also believe 1 spawns at the top of atheons stairs if atheon is completed right and possibly another back up and behind the Templar, almost the same direction to the "glitch relic" but instead of dropping down to the glitch relic you go off the side and up. For now though, let's focus on the gorgon maze and jumping puzzle. Inside the maze if move to the lower platforms/dead gate and look up you can see what looks like a second entrance to the jumping puzzle. Like the platforms when you walk in the jumping puzzle normally, I believe the trigger to spawn platforms leading from their requires the team to be up there. I think, maybe not being seen by gorgons AND finding this path trigger the chest at the bottom of the jumping puzzle. That's all I really have for now. The reality is is EVERYTHING has been tried. We are low on ideas. The biggest problem with this hunt is the level 31 version of the raid. Depending on what we find then, it may mean we are looking for something that doest exist yet. However, during Deej's little escapade with the raid team he ran into/joined at the tower, he had mentioned hidden chests often. Imo, he did this because he may have let 1 slip. Maybe gave a hint and then in retrospect thought it might of been to good of a hint. I've asked the team he raided with to compile the info on what Deej was saying so we could look at it as a whole but I haven't gotten much from them. Mostly it seems Deej was joking around about it the entire time but my question is why the whole time. So, if you want to look for the last secret, this is where to look. I'm bumping this now because I see a lot of threads going over what we've covered and posting threads for ideas already listed below by the community and debunked. Happy hunting guardians. Maybe the dark below holds some cool secrets. I will say this, recently, someone posted a video from reddit regarding a portal gun. This obviously opens the door, giggity, to 1,000 new possibilities and I think if that this is real we all know that too. Edit** also, enraged status needs to be tested. See if killing templar or Atheon while enraged or surviving the enrage triggers something.

AHRISE CHIKUN AHRISE!

[quote]--updated 12/6-- in a post below. [b]WARNING, THIS IS NOT THE ENTIRE WALKTHROUGH/THREAD PELASE GO HERE ->[/b] http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/77770567/0/0/1 [b]TO SEE THE REST[/b] whats up everyone, day 5 or 6 now. Im not sure, time is not relative to me as. kinda have chronophobia and hell maybe thats why this interests me so much. I'm going to attempt to reorg all the info so that it acts as a walkthrough with things you could attempt that may yield what we are looking for. I see a lot of posts asking for vids. We do stream but no vids yet because we are tracking down leads from the community but our performance in game isint always the best. Several groups have taken it upon themselves to look too. We are very excited and hopeful overall we guardians will find something. ------------------- [b]original theory::[/b] -kabr the titan went into the vog with his raid team. The creator of the "super good advice" witnessed his "fall" and it drove him insane so he created the gun to 1 keep him company and 2 keep him tied to this world. As long as everyone percieves the existance of the gun he made and he has it the oracles wouldnt be able to blink him from existence. This was suspect but even an entire raid team with the gun equipped can still succumb to oracles. Following the lore further, kabr fashions the shield out of a gorgons head and uses whats left of his light to power it. We thought maybe, be it anything from a cutscene to something similar to the loot cave might still be left to find in the VoG that would allow us to talk to Kabr one last time. In his grimoire he says "If i speak again, i am not kabr" suggesting he may speak to some version of him again be it his darkness self, soul, light, spirit, w/e. His grimoire further states "but somehow they didn't kill him" and goes on to talk about he furnished armor and weapon from vex bodies. The weapon would be the mythoclast. "they have taken my ghost" confirming the ghost found outside the vault isint his. "They are in my blood and brain" suggesting he was taken over. Made into a dark guardian. Very much alive. Following Kabrs grimoire and that of the VoG points out to a path used by Athena (something like that i dont have the grimoire card) and she "thread" a path back out of the vault of glass. The word "thread" being used is important because Atheons will is the "needle" per grimoire and (i forget who was talking) says "i dont not know the shape that comes after" so we spent a lot of time inside the atheon throne room looking for shapes. We also tried the mythclast scope, which theoretically is a Vex eyeball and the pocket infinity which has a star shape reticle. The exotic bounty weapons all come from the team who originally enetered the VoG. So we thought maybe having some of these weapon equipped like we tried with "super good advice" and the oracles still killed us. Mythology and Destiny's grimoire are incredibly identical however. No where are they more identical than when it comes down to the gorgons. They are typically skipped or not done without being seen or done without starting from the beginning it is very rare that an entire team will pass through undetected from the start of the spire all in one go. I also think its very possible that the original raid team from testing, the one that spent an absurd amount of time on the raid and never completed it, were actually looking for the same thing that we are. GT: [b]oh ver driive[/b] xb1 [b]::Dev quotes::[/b] -What was you guys' thinking in leaving just about everything unexplained? "The raid really is about a couple of things at the core. It's about a sense of discovery, whether it's discovering a new environment or discovering how to tackle the problems that you're about to encounter with your teammates. And when you think about what you want to explain, if you want the player on a journey of discover, well, we didn't want to explain much to them at all." [b]Part of the fun, in fact most of the fun, is figuring it out on your own[/b]." -----Article link -> here -> http://tmi.kotaku.com/q-a-the-lead-designer-of-destinys-vault-of-glass-1647227058 OFFICIAL:: killing Atheon is the end of the raid ... (-.-;)p -> http://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-help-I-finished-the-Raid-and-the-boss-didnt/en/Help/Article/12167 "The rewards for killing Atheon and completing the Vault of Glass are awarded when he dies" Well that certainly debunks a lot of theories. I still think there could be something in the gorgon maze but with this new info i must say i feel i hit a wall. I am going to stream tonight and attempt the new chest location. Info above. Regarding the first team to complete the raid "1st" and the "tighter knot" -Chronic Draaven (b.net) As Watts said. "The truest form of the Raid awaits. For the first to finish it, there are even more meaningful rewards. Nothing can undo PRIMEGUARD’s accomplishment in completing the opening act first, but Bungie is still watching to see who can unravel the tighter knot." [b]:::the big question::: is this a troll??::[/b] -yes and no. If anyone is being trolled here. It is me. I am absolutely committed to this information and while i admit i jumped the gun my first stream night. I was just as excited to figure some of this out as many of you are. I'm not perfect, ive done my best to give credit where credit is do. Bear in mind. I cant defend myself 24 hours a day. My head feels like its gonna explode from everything im trying to piece together. So there you have and that is the honest answer. I'm choosing to believe in what im looking for. This will be a process. The fact is we are missing something. My biggest fear is you all will stop looking. Please don't let me take away from the possibility that destiny might have a handful of secrets left for us. All goals, unknown goals, and "busted myths" will be posted with their respectable sections. Unknown goals are listed and believed to have possibilities because of lore or because clearing sections with 0 fxck up count yields a chest like from the Templar by not letting him teleport. It would be unreasonable to believe this is the only time this takes place in the vault. [b]::the spire::[/b] -spawning into the spire, you see a group of vex vanish from infront of the dead portal. This dead gate is one of two you see. The second being on a platform before atheon/gatekeeper entrance and after/going down jumping puzzle. known goals - dont let vex control a single sync plate result - unknown unknown possibilities - let all plates be controlled by vex, can they open thier own gate below? Regardless if the vex control 1 plate or none the lights leading up to the Templars Well remain the same. Tested by doing 1 right after the other. ------------------------ [b]Kabrs trials[/b] - is a walk way through the spire door that leads down to the ::first chest:: which is rumored to be skippable and when doing so may trigger a ::chest:: inside the Templars Well. The passage way itself doesnt seem to hold any additional secret passages. ------------------------- [b]The Templars Well[/b] - first off, this area is way to BIG and way to SECRET on top of being way to POLISHED to act only as an additional walk way to The Templar area. Those who have explored it for hours have found nothing. The only question now is did they explore it at the right time or with the right circumstances? Following this path brings you to what is reffered to as a second entrance to The Templar. Essentially you end up on some rocks just west of the normal platform you would stand on before jumping down. The entrance to the well can be done 1 of 2 ways. One way found here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nIMj6mX6MM skip to about 3:25 ----------------------------- ![b]The Templars Room[/b]! -here we come up against 3 battles. Inside this room we have only found 2 entrances out. The wall leading to the bloom chest and the obvious giant gate that opens behind the templar after defeating him. If you climb up, over and behind the very center of where the gatekeeper sits before his battle you can drop down to an area where a glitch of the templars relic appears. Pulling it removes the one for the templar and we have no found a way out yet though one is rumored. [b]The battles~~[/b] [u]Defend the Confluxes![/u] -known goals: dont allow any vex to sacrfice. This is difficult and doable. It can take several tries however because soemtimes the vex can warp from extreme distances, past you and end up behind the farthest conflux. Which is bullshxt btw and this should be fixed. -results: unknown[/quote] Necrobumpity

Is there perhaps more to the cleansing light? The grimoire says something like: bathe in it and be cleansed. Look to it to understand. Understand what?

I posted this before, but I don't think anyone took notice. Remember in halo 3 when you need to jump through the rings in a certain order to get the IWHBYD Skull, they produce different tones. You ever try killing the oracles in the order of those tones for that skull? Just a hunch, since it was Bungie who made that halo and I find it weird the oracles have different tones. Hope you see this and can test it! Thanks and happy thanksgiving.

Whatever happened to kabr was in the past. If we want to find something we have a choice to travel to the past through the portals. We just need to know which one is past, left or right?

18th Chest Confirmed.

Every time I see this thread, I'm going to make this comment. The big secret is: There is another locked difficulty of the Vault. A "very hard" mode that will unlock shortly after the DLC comes out. It is a lvl 32 Raid, has more chests and drops, and is the only "true" form of the raid. All the secrets lie there, waiting for the time to emerge.

Just wondering doesn't the first chest seem to be right in your face when you get into VOG? Also when you kill a gorgon the one chest door closes. The one that gives you shards. Is it possible that not getting any of the chests even the spirit bloom chest would do something? Kind of like the greedy never prosper type thing?