Who cares fix your servers

Could care less about the fix. Honestly I've done it both ways. I have more fun not cheesing it tbh. Can we get the exotics fixed now plz. Thorn, juju, and SGA most of all. Also bump the pocket a little Plz. Think the nerf hurt too much. Don't know a whole lot about coding or play testing but adjusting a few stats can't be all that hard. Is it?

[quote]I talked a lot to the developers about your opinions on the matter. You don't want to be selected at random. You want to choose who gets to fetch the Relic under fire from those nasty Oracles. I spoke on your behalf. Your voice was heard. We discussed your concerns. I even said "Why not just change Hard Mode and leave Easy Mode alone?" I was told [b]"The Raid is never supposed to be easy."[/b][/quote] Couldn't agree more. [quote]This is an activity that was designed to be undertaken by a hardcore team that is ready and willing to adapt and improvise to changing battle conditions. Like the moment when the Templar shields random players, the Final Boss was supposed to be extremely dangerous. While we've been working on some of the other things for which you've been asking (i.e. better exotics, voice chat in matchmaking, more bounties), [b]the designers who made the Raid have plugged the holes that you showed them.[/b][/quote] No, they haven't. The transfer gates still sometimes don't let us pass through. Atheon still sometimes teleports just 2 players instead of 3. The Minotaur in the forest gate still sometimes regenerates health. Players are still taking damage while inside the Relic bubble. Oracles are still sometimes going through their death animation before they're actually destroyed. So no, they have not plugged any holes. They fixed Atheon being pushed off the edge and that's good, but that's really the only hole in the Raid that has been addressed. Oh and the Templar can still be pushed off the edge. [quote]Let's talk about it. Please sound off in this thread, and know that I'll be reading.[/quote] The developers need to be reading these topics. If they are ultimately the ones that decide which changes go through and which don't.

DeeJ, So now to the next patch, when is the Vex Mythoclast, Bad JuJu and Thorn are receiving their respective buffs? I would really like to know.

I think this was a very bad update i liked being able to have set roles for everyone it made strategizing much easier now that everything is random the outcome will be random not everyone knows every role in the raid and sometimes it's hard to learn not everyone has mic's either which makes coordination a lot more challenging which in turn makes the raid even more challenging, patching the push was ok but the random teleporting is unfair especially with no guaranteed good loot at the end

For a ten year game...this first month has been a train wreck. Why do you neckbeards insist on trying to make "us" the consumer even attempt to conform to your stupid "exploit fixes". Let's define "exploit" shall we. Exploit- a piece of software , chunk of data or a chain of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer hardware, software or something electronic. So...how did we as a gaming community "exploit" your game? Diid "we" corrupt the intenal workings of the game by not playing it the way "you" wanted us to? The phrasing "exploit" you all like to use is ludicrous and you should be ashamed of yourselves. It all boils down to lazy coding and lazy testing. If you didn't want "us" farming or cheesing raid bosses then you should of patched it pre-release. You are taking a game with great potential and screwing it all up with your communist actions....making your own rules from your lazy mistakes. You were a great developer once. Now it's going to be sweet poetic justice two weeks from today when 343 takes away all of your server traffic and takes a big fat dump in your front lawn. "We are listening...." You guys best buy some stock in hearing aids. Maybe you should say "We are conforming you into the sheep we want you to be"....that's more appropriate.

So are we gonna see the teleporting platforms section "fixed" next? I sort of assume that we're meant to follow some sort of trail of platforms to reach the bottom but most everyone I've seen just hits one or two before hurling themselves over to the end.

Sure made monkeys out of us.

Update broke the game. "Destiny servers are unavailable". Can't get past the title screen and no error code this time.

[quote] My opinion? Dear Bungie, Now that you guys have taken two weeks to "fix" things with Atheon that your internal testing team should have found before the raid went live, do you think you guys can move on to fixing some of the issues that made pushing the increasingly preferred method? I would strongly suggest you find a new testing team, because they're appearing rather inept when every few patches you're undoing previous nerfs. P.S. We all know your "fix" to Atheon's teleport is a butt hurt reaction.[/quote]

You Bungie and your last patch, in one picture.

Easy response, im never taking a new player to teach to this encounter again. If the wow expansion was already out, id quit. The fact that rushed fixes that no one in the community supports is being done to basically slow everyone down waitin for december, expect alot less dlc buys....i love your game, trust me, ive played mmos for years and this was a fresh original raid with great elements for your 10 year plan, but unless you guys start looking at games that actually lasted 10 years your going to end up like every other 4 month mmo fad.....and halo didnt last 10 years, so dont fall back on that, halo 2 and 3 created amazing original fps experiences that everyone expected out of every future fps, and the fact that years later these basic concepts cant come at launch, custom games, ranked pvp, easy ingame communication. I get it , you wanted destiny to be something of its own, you wanted a difficulty and a simplicity that kept everyone....now your satisfying neither end. The challenge is already done, people have 3 30s on one account, why would i bash my head into atheon teaching friends when i can wait for you to release another rushed raid to be exploited then wait another 6 months for the exotic changes you promised to actually go through....hint dont hint at changes you cant deliver in 2 weeks, this isnt 2000 when halo came out so i can wait 6 months and people will come back....i expect alot of people to look at the raid now and pick up modern warfare instead.....regardless amongsty rant i really hope you do something positive to create depth to this game, (extra bounty space, why not vault space?) before the hype falls off...btw you obviously want money, every pc game on earth is banking on $2 cosmetics they can put on daddys credit card, how is transmog and how is this not a concept.....if your goin to be greedy, do it right for both of us....dont wanna take anymore time writing this since i have to spend my whole day off farming materials that are more pain in an ass then korean grinders.....and ive played plenty, idc if you respond to me personally but if i can come up with these fixes in the timespan of a bathroom break, start hiring some people who have a clue.

The randomization has nothing to do with how hard it makes it. The point is that on hard there are only a few things Hunters can do, that's why so many people running hard raid don't want Hunters at all. By making who goes in random it makes having them even a greater liability. Even though Warlocks are supposed to be the glass canons the Hunters are much more squishy. You guys need to do something to help Hunters a little in PvE. Right now I'm only good at making orbs of light and killing oracles and let's face it. A Warlock would do those things better and could self rez.

Huh....I see. If any new players, or players that have never been in the raid, don't get selected to participate, or that other players don't want to bother helping you.....you know exactly who to thank. And to the Dev Team: good job on making the rift in the community much wider. Give yourselves a big old pat on the back to go along with the middle finger you just gave to new players.

Good job! This update won't impact me much at all in fact I'm excited and eager to jump back on the raid (I hope this week I will get some raid gear for my hunter though) I was slightly annoyed when i first heard about the atheon teleporting change but then I actually played through and realised that this stage of the raid had become so casual that any group I played with would talk about other things whilst occasionally saying which planet/side the defenders would have to jump to. Rather than shouting S*** we got ported to a or b and having to quickly change tactics and communicate about the game, rather than talk about what we had for dinner earlier tell life stories or "what movie can I hear in the background?" Now we have to actually pay attention. Therefore I have changed my mind about this update, everyone will be more engaged in the constant chaos that the raid should be. Thanks.

Hello Deej, two things Atheon's epilogue is supposed to be on of the best weapons of the Raid but I've upgraded everything and it is not useful in the Raid mode hard, other is that I am Level 29 now but when I go to Raid in mode hard I am still dying with only one sniper shot, I mean what happen with the armor? My point is they can make the Vault of Glass as hard they want but we still need power in our weapons because now is impossible beat the Templar

Well folks, DeeJ has made it clear. It's Us vs. Them! So get out there and find new ways to cheese that atheon bastard!

it's a very good move this patch bungie, atheon was too easy, if you add the vex pve buff and maybe more t2 gears lootable from the VOG HM it will be awesome! cz now you have only 4 possible drop in hm it"s not enough

I'm okay with the bumpers and the teleporting. It forces players to play and understand the raid in it's entirety. The better exotic thing worries me. I think there should at least be armor that is good in PvE but not PVP and vice versa, and this could be exotic armor. Now, that would probably call for a bigger vault or more inventory space, but as it stands, I hardly use my vault for armor.