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Main reason why people are mad is the communication of the raid and the strategy that was used. Now you will get have. Do you have the relic? Who's got the oracles? Who's got the enemy? I thought you had? My bad. Deadddd wipe and spend useless hours of zero progress. Going to make it had for random forum teams also. I'm just glad I only can get loot once a week from the raid.

I'm not interested in opinions generally. But I am going to add my experience to tho squabble. First off, I don't have much time to play. My fiancés kids come over on weekends and play Destiny. We all play and together as I bought an additional ps4 to do so. We played when we could and leveled up the best we could in order to play the raid, though I enjoy all other modes too. One day we came across a player that joined our failed attempted raid that was high level. He took is to atheon on hard mode and generously knocked him off for is all. He did this in subsequent weeks. I got a lot of great gear and weapons and so did the kids. We would not have done this so fast if he had not dedicated his time to helping those either unskilled or too young to get 5 other teammates to beat the raid especially on hard mode. It would have been potentially months before having enough time. With that being said, I am glad they fixed Atheon and I'm glad they made teleporting random. I have done the raid without the cheese a lot and played with MANY whom either never had before or simply cannot find others to do it with. I was finding ransoms to try it with and that was HARD sometimes. Not always but sometimes. Matchmaking is not the answer. May be an ok feature in time but not now. Atheon is hard. He as a team is in a lot of ways one of if not the hardest boss of all time. Think about it. Without the internet, think of the work required to get to him and then beat him! That's the point. Now many of you don't want that and this is fine. Are you satisfied with the other bosses? You can go play them. The challenge is the point here. The games structure is on the random. Just learn each role and random teleporting shouldn't matter and instead make this boss more of a challenge. I love the true challenge of the raid. It's teamwork! It is hard to have teamwork with 6 people. That's why it's hard! Not just the level one is at. It takes time to get to the higher levels because you earn it. Raid gear? Get to level 29 without it. Raid gear is a bonus and NOT the goal. If it is the goal, keep playing. Learn your roles, learn to communicate, and beat him how he was designed. I love how someone helped me and my fiancés kids get better gear they wouldn't have time to get otherwise. But them, like me, couldn't wait to beat him ourselves without relying on level 30s to crutch us through. It's great we can relay it as much as we want. And hard mode even more! You all have put in a lot of time on this game. Probably over 100 hours. That's a lot. It's a game and you put in that much time and likely finished it. You want more. You want to beat Atheon as easy as possible. Now there is less ways to do that. Complaining doesn't overcome challenges. Just maybe try to imagine Atheon as being this way all along. Guess what? Still one of the harder challenges in a game boss ever and I'm old school. And good. I am a solid Souls game vet and in a lot of ways Destiny is mirroring it's difficulty at times. Be happy for that. I live for it. Bungie gave us a better challenge. And I look forward to it. You? And leave DeeJ alone. Remember he is doing his job and you all should keep it subjective and not personal. And be patient. Many can't play huge amounts of time. A $60 game this has far surpassed.

HALLOWEEN ITEM BUG I logged on went to the mail clicked the Halloween present, and then got the error code beetle now I have no item.

Words can not described how upset this update makes me. As I've stated prior, assembling a team can be hard, coordinating that team is even harder, coordinating what is now essentially chickens with their heads cut off? [b]completely and utterly impossible[/b] Before this update, I gladly teamed up with folks who sat at level 26 and/or were new to the raid because I could still find uses for them and teach them along the way. You [b]Can Not[/b] teach RNG! This update has collectively alienated both of those groups, effectively diminishing a huge reason to continue playing Destiny. I just find it sad that my hand has been forced in this manner. Instead of having my open door "Everyone is welcome" policy, I now have to say "28 or Get out" In summary [i]Damn it, Bungie...[/i]

How about you guys actually do what we ask? Stop freaking catering to the pvp side so much.

Thanks DeeJ for relaying info for us, sad part is the community does not forget how there voices are ignored buy this company. Take a lesson from EA/Dice with BF4, there future isn't so bright.

It's one thing to make the Raid more challenging by altering game play mechanics and another by making the encounter random. The Raid was the only thing Destiny had to offer that was challenging, it was a rather refreshing experience in an otherwise casual friendly game. Now that challenge will be more from frustration, not because it's hard but because their will be no strategy to beat Atheon. I can understand why the update removed the walk off glitch but making the time stream phase random was not just. How is it that they can make getting Raid gear even harder to obtain yet they're just going to hand out gear that's equivalent in the upcoming Iron Banner? If you're going to make the Raid harder by making it random could we please get better drops from it? I have a solution to the problem, rather than make it random all together make it select people in some sort of order. Something that we could figure out and adjust our strategy accordingly. Everyone would still get a taste of the time stream and the encounter wouldn't be random.

I did it on my warlock :D

Who provides the money for these Devs to even have jobs? Who provides the demand? Your devs need to listen to the community, and listen to Deej. You want bad press and you want people to quit? tip - Don't listen to your community manager who is backed by his ENTIRE COMMUNITY. Fix it.

-blam!- you DeeJ and -blam!- you Bungie. Moving on to another game.

As a Bungie lover and loyal fan of the Halo series and Destiny, I'mma have to say DeeJ, y'all messed up on this one. Atheon being pushed off was cheese BS, okay fine, thank you for fixing that, no more free Mythoclasts and raid helms. Atheon now randomly teleporting 3 guardians? Now that is complete garbage. As many have stated in the comments already, I have to agree that the very core of the Vault of Glass is team work. Every aspect and part comes down to teamwork. Activating the spire in the beginning? 3 teams of 2, control the plate. Get to the first chest even, it takes teamwork to make sure every single guardian gets there before even 1 person opens the chest or the person behind has a possibility to miss out on ascendant materials. Templar? Needs teamwork to cover the confluxes, oracles, and coordination with removing his shield and taking him out. Gorgon maze? Everyone needs to stick together. In the wise words of The Joker, "It's all part of a plan." Where the hell is the plan in the raid? Why are we getting patched with some stupid randomization when there are SO many other issues with the Atheon fight? I absolutely cannot even count how many times my team has failed and died on the raid due to a glitch such as the portals not sending everyone through, Atheon sending 2 or 4 people through his timestream, the hobgoblins in the past / brown / left portal somehow taking no damage from a relic dive attack and one shotting someone in the portal. These are only a few of the many, many issues we've all had. The point is, fix the broken parts of the vault, not the one thing that the damn VoG is centered around, teamwork.

The raid sucks 1. It's easy af (for some/most ppl) 2. Loot (well most ppl hate the loot system) 3. It's the only thing in the game that's left besides PvP 4. HC players will have no problem still bc we know how to play every roll PS. If anyone decides to judge my stats by clicking my profile (cuz some do when you criticize this game), don't. I farm characters for nightfall loot/raid loot multiple times thru the week in hopes for better loot. (Sadly my luck sucks) Fk rng!!

i still say it seems alot like the upset kid ruining the game cuz he was losing and then took his ball away from the others so no one can play... truthfully dose not matter to me but i know it will mater to the rookies that no one will raid with seems more like all you have done is just made it harder for up and coming guardians to excel and prosper.... but any who no one really cares (no one here thats for sure) lots of wasted time is all i see here

What about those who don't have the best weapons and the players who aren't a high enough level to kill things effectively? It's gonna be hard to take my little cousin through the raid when he's a level 24 if he gets sent through the time gate. He'll die in one shot so the relic is tough to use and he can't kill oracles fast enough. He would've been assigned to opening portals but now it's just gonna be a big mess. Another thing that bothers me is that certain people have weapons and abilities better suited to kill Atheon while others have weapons better suited to kill oracles. I have gjallerhorn so I'm better to be outside (I can easily do both, don't get me wrong). I hate the randomization, I like pushing Atheon off patch, but still -blam!- Bungie for the randomization. It makes it so much harder to help the new guys through the raid if we can't walk them through each role, inside and out, and wipe until they get the hang of it.