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Edited by DeeJ:
10/28/2014 3:38:45 PM
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Thoughts and Opinions about Atheon's Revenge.
So, the update just went live. Atheon can no longer be pushed off his platform. He'll also select people at random to be thrown across time. He's a real bastard, eh?
I talked a lot to the developers about your opinions on the matter. You don't want to be selected at random. You want to choose who gets to fetch the Relic under fire from those nasty Oracles. I spoke on your behalf. Your voice was heard. We discussed your concerns.
I even said "Why not just change Hard Mode and leave Easy Mode alone?"
I was told "The Raid is never supposed to be easy."
At that point, I recalled all the times I stood and delivered the line "...the most challenging encounter we've ever created." It was hard to disagree. As a veteran of Cairo Station on Legendary in Halo, I had to admit that I had been carried through the Raid like luggage assigned to my clan. I did my own carrying later, but carrying had been done.
This is an activity that was designed to be undertaken by a hardcore team that is ready and willing to adapt and improvise to changing battle conditions. Like the moment when the Templar shields random players, the Final Boss was supposed to be extremely dangerous. While we've been working on some of the other things for which you've been asking (i.e. better exotics, voice chat in matchmaking, more bounties), the designers who made the Raid have plugged the holes that you showed them.
If you got in on the ground floor of this thing, we thank you. If you understand the mechanics for how to beat Atheon, it's still a thing you can teach your friends. If you're all up to the challenge, the Raid is waiting for you.
Let's talk about it. Please sound off in this thread, and know that I'll be reading.
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Edited by runningRAMP4GE: 10/28/2014 9:14:07 PMWhile I agree with many of the points already made my biggest grievance is connection issues. Sure I don't like the random teleporting on normal mode, or randomized loot drops but none of that matters when I can't even play the game. Please fix these issues completely so I can actually play the day of a patch instead of 2-3 days later.
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Bungie took lessons from Don on how to alienate loyal fans. Interesting how you made this thread and the official post was locked. Very interesting...
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1 ReplyIt's kinda insulting that you're asking what we think, when there's been a good two weeks worth of feedback concerning your "fix" when Antheon opens the timestream.
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4000 comments...
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Now might be the time for you start telling us what youre holding up your sleeve. Its obvious you have plans in the work that will answer alot of the concerns players are having; why not give us some info?
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What about nightfall daily missions that yield legendary engrams or something
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2 RepliesI figured it out. After watching a few videos I had of atheon fights, and always being designated a teleporter, I noticed the times I never teleported was when there might be a distance discrepancy between the 3rd farthest player(s). These were also the same two people who reported seeing the "teleported" on the screen but going nowhere. What if the original teleport method was intended, but randomization was the only easy way they could think of to fix this bug? Maybe the code couldn't distinguish between people of equal distance and instead of choosing one of the two at random, neither would go. If the code was too embedded or measurements below a certain threshold couldn't be calculated... I don't know enough beyond that, only what I've witnessed. Tl;dr It's pretty clear that the people not teleported were actually just both exactly the same distance from the boss and the third farthest from him. This "fix" was the only easy to fix that, hence not even addressing that bug. There hasn't been a single report of teleport failure yet.
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Edited by MiesZko: 10/28/2014 9:10:42 PMIntroducing lazy and cheap mechanics is not making things "hard", it's just making an encounter frustrating, annoying and badly designed. Maybe it's time to look and listen to people that actually have experience in raid design on a large scale? That's not even touching on the completely idiotic itemization and RNG .
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This is pathetic, random teleporting? Seriously? We already deal with getting shards and just chatter white from stupid Atheon, why can't you fix the loot and make it so we get something worth our time on the bosses? And the "baby bumpers" seriously? To me I thiught it was fine for other people to do that considering most people got shards and other stupid things from it thanks to RnGesus so you should have fixed the loot system too, because I'm sick of getting shards EVERY boss I fight it makes it pointless to keep doing it, out of all the times I did it I only got ONE piece of gear, and just shards after that from bosses, like to me, this is pointless, make it so we get stuff better than stupid shards so that we can actually show something from our effort!
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Matchmaking Yay!!!! Ransom teleports Booooo!!!!
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Here's another thing too. With you implementing random teleports on atheon a lot of people will go up to the gatekeeper phase, then once atheon is about to spawn they will end raid. 2 loot chests and 3 encounter loots to get gear and 2 more chests on normal to Get ascendant materials is all good lol. I use exotic helms so I'm level 30 definitely
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"Hey players, are you high leveled and have nothing to do? Don't have a bunch of friends ready and willing to drop everything to do the raid with you? If so, -blam!- you! Sincerely, Bungie" You shouldn't have
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1 ReplyEdited by Jupiter: 10/28/2014 8:43:40 PMI propose a new idea for atheon teleporting, bump if you agree. Atheon should randomly chose Mars or Venus before choosing players so that the 3 players nearest to the sync of the corresponding side will be teleported. This will allow the game to be random (like bungie wants it) and also allow players to have specific roles.
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Is Bungie working on fixing monkey and weasel errors? Only real answers please!
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2 RepliesThis is literally the worst patch ever.
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You guys messed up. You just cant admit it because it's too late to backtrack.
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6 RepliesWhat bothers me the most is this concept that the raid content is for the elite, the best of the best, the truly great players. So what is everyone else suppose to do? Run Tiger Strikes for the one-millionth time?
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Edited by Pro Master X7: 10/28/2014 9:08:22 PMListen if you guys are taking a very important part of teamwork away from the Atheon fight (I am furious that teleporting was labeled as an issue when you guys knew it from the beginning) then make it so we are guaranteed a special thing for wasting our time. What about the people that ran it legit or spent hours on it only to come out of the fight with shards? When are we gonna be compensated for this? You guys already nerfed the Mythoclast! Either change the teleport back or up the drop rate on the gear we should be getting to make it fair. Just know you guys went over the bar with this and probably just lost another bit of your fanbase. World of Warcraft is a good example of how to make raids and hand out their rewards. Theirs is longer and requires more communication to do but guess what? We are repaid with great gear for our work, and what do we have on Destiny? Inexperienced Raid developers that focus more on removing teamwork then fixing these stupid Raid drop rates! Speaking of which I assume it was made even harder along side the teleporting "issue" if the devs didn't bother to fix the long ass loading screen in the inventory. Seriously, there is no use to Pulse Rifles and most Hand Cannons anymore because we get teleported at random! Why is that a problem you may wonder? Because those guns suck so bad against oracles that the guys with them want to open the time rift for the team. Now if we go in with one we are all gonna die cause of the long ass loading inventory issue that you guys haven't touched yet. -Anyways that is just my 2 cents, more of a rant really. Bungie fix the poor development choices, you guys made Halo so why not make this great?-
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I think you know [u]exactly[/u] what we all need now, DeeJ. You said it yourself. Now the raid designers have a new bar to set. Most of the players who will be sticking around are aware of "artificial difficulty". With that being said, stop trying to raise the bar of the current content when we need NEW content. I can easily counter this random teleport "fix" by organizing people's callouts, but the point is, you had a good thing going and now it's likely going to be a whole new fight for no reason. Can't wait to give it a shot, though.
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Im going to say again what I said when this "fix" was announced. adding RNG to boss design to make it more difficult is a lazy and cheap trick that will only cause frustration. Everyone in a raid has a job, part of teamwork. Adding randomness to this just creates chaos. There are better ways to make a boss more difficult. RNG is NEVER a good design choice.
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"Let's talk about it" HA! Patronizing the forum participants with the hope of actually communicating or implementing any thought out and reasonable requests/ideas is just another form of trolling. We are all being trolled by BUNGIE. When you step back it's all rather amusing. We payed to be trolled. Well played BUNGIE. Well played.
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I still have never even played it.:( If anyone on 360 can help please add me PROFESSA MURDA lvl 27 (almost 28) Titan. Thanks in advance.
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What do we have to do to not only be "heard" and then ignored, but listened to? We have been very vocal...do you want us to stop playing your game for a week so destiny could have a vast and empty open world devoid of players? And honestly, it feels like YOUR game but this is suppose to be OUR world. No one likes the kid in school that made up new rules and was all ebb and no flow when it came to what others wanted to do
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Umm crash much? I've been crashing quite a bit. Oh and I also can't find the iron banner.
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2 RepliesSo, I have yet to try the VoG with my team, however, I don't get why people are upset by this. There have been people who beat this thing in 20 minutes! Just because they rig it so three people are ready to kill oracles and three are ready to defend. This is supposed to be the hardest challenge to a video game ever, and the random teleports will definitely ensure a better fight. If anything they ought to make it even harder, then bring up the drop rates. Come on guys. They know what they're doing. Give them a chance.
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Interesting Forum Post Title... No thoughts to share since our opinions don't matter.
