This latest patch with which you fixed some "bugs" has made the game unplayable. Since the patch went live while running the raid there were so many people getting randomly kicked we couldn't even open the vault. And this fire team is the same one I run with every week with no problems. Same goes for the nightfall. Even in crucible now i m being kicked to the destiny screen with a "monkey" error. I've maybe been disconnected two times since the game came out, but now its someone in my fire team constantly. This patch is bugged. IMO you should reverse the patch and fix it before reapplying it. I'm not saying what your patch is trying to accomplish is a bad thing but corrupting the game in a dash to stop a strategic teleport is boarder line crazy. Its not worth it. My best advice " don't fix it if its not broke.". Work on real problems, get the game running smooth then make changes if its needed. BTW Love this game!!!!! Can't wait for this to be fixed so I can return starside!!

Honestly I could care less on the changes that were made on today's patch. However what I hate more than anything is that with their comments as expressed through deej that "who care what the people think and want, we are going to do what we want so go f yourselves" Start listening to the guys that support you and your game and who pays your check.

With all due respect to the raid overlords, I can't help but disagree. I liked the raid because it presented moments where I had to actually coordinate with my team, and have roles I was proud to be a part of. Roles that, due to my playstyle, suited me better. I know I'm going to get some shit about "[i]Adapt or die[/i]" from someone, but I digress. I played the raid knowing I was going to be of use in certain areas, and would announce where I would be and why it was beneficial. This being the [i]most[/i] beneficial in the last fight. In terms of Atheon, I would usually opt out of being part of the teleport team. Why? Because I'm good at holding back the Supplicants and anything else that comes crawling out of cracks in time and space. It's important to have someone outside who knows how to keep them suppressed, otherwise they rush whoever is teleporting back into the map to blow them up. We have a two man team on one teleport area, and I'd take the other one alone to kill off the stragglers. That was my role and I enjoyed it to the fullest. So, me being such a nice guy, I hop onto the raid with whoever asks usually. This being completely random people, often with members who don't know what's going on. At times I'll be teleported leaving my domain completely exposed, and no matter how much I try to explain to people that we need more cover coming out of the teleporter, no one listens. Or, no one has listened yet. So now what we have is [i]another[/i] portion of the raid that has the potential to just frustrate me to no end. This isn't hard, it's tedious and unnecessary. Even so, people are eventually going to be able to run through it like no-one's business even with the random teleportation. In the end, I'm not opposed to change. Change is good. I just don't like change that hurts team dynamic. That was the [i]only[/i] reason I really enjoyed the raid and would hop on, otherwise it eats up time I don't have and would rather spend it doing something else. Different people, different flavors, etc. But still, I'm a sucker for good coordination within groups. Throwing 'random' at everything in Destiny isn't going to solve problems. I mean, the Vault of Glass was an absolute masterpiece, I haven't had that kind of level of team pre-planning and such in any other game. I'm not sure why it was thought necessary to even mess with it at that point. I don't want to be that guy - that sad dramatic guy - who tries to pull on your heartstrings waving their hands in your face screaming "I'M LEAVING", but I really don't feel like jumping into the raid with a mechanic like this in place. I had fun with what I was doing before, and that's the only reason for me to play Destiny. I don't play it out of duty or loyalty to Bungie, I'm selfish and really only care about what kind of fun I'm having. It's probably still playable, but I just hate to see my favorite part of the raid go away. Those Supplicants are in need of good ass kicking, and it pains me to think I'll miss out on that every so often going in with the teleport team to shoot at lights. I want to reiterate, the Vault was a masterpiece. I'm not going to say that the designers don't know what they're doing because of this patch, because that's not true. What I will say is that I'm baffled and disappointed by the decision. Even if it was a bug, it was a happy bug.

Epic fail. The raid is broken. Usually starts off well but then only teleports 2 through. then at times only teleports one and people have to rush on the outside to open the portal to get through and help the single guy with a shield that can't attack oracles with the relic cause it will blast him off and kill him. How about a fix for this issue please?

Love the changes to Atheons teleport. Did the raid tonight and it made it much more intense and enjoyable when we finished it. Only 2 people in our group had carried the relic before and after good communication and about 4 or 5 trials and errors we were all capable to adapt our roles on the fly. I personally think it's awesome. I know you guys get a lot of hate but I'm having a blast playing Destiny. Thanks for all the hard work guys!

You're being trolled guardians, genuine moderators are easier to spot in the wild.

While the few times that I have beat Atheon my group never cheesed him off the side of any platform. We worked hard and figured out a way to beat him legitimately and that was cool. We accomplished beating the raid without resorting to cheap tactics and we felt proud of that. Now that being said, I do think that something should have been done to keep people from easily beating the hardest content of the game, and this was an easy way to fix it. I know the haters are gonna hate on what I just said, but they can bite me. I don't play PvP that much but I do enjoy the PvE aspect of the game and the whiners are pissing me off. The PvP side of the game should have been kept separate from the PvE side from the very beginning, end of story. But I am sorry Deej, right now nobody give a crap what you did about the raid to make it "More Challenging", what I want to know is why I can't play the game because with your stupid hot fixes you have made the games platform so unstable that right now I can't even log in on PS4, and if on the off chance I can get past the login screen I get booted right after I select which character I want to play as. Personally I think that all the so called improvements that you guys have made to the game should be scrapped, and then just separate PvP and PvE and go from there. Fix the problems with the game that everyone is complaining about and forget about the piddly little things that are pissing you guys off because we found a better way to beat your game. We are gamers, it's our job to find ways to beat the "Hard" things that you guys put into the game. No do your job and fix the game. End of rant.

Got to admit it's no harder having random ppl being teleported than usual, what is annoying is the same lag, visual or otherwise, gatekeeper still not dying or the glimmer tick registering and him not dying(more on red side than green.) Had a hobgoblin shoot me in the face while standing, with his duck down, localized fire aoe animation running, the cage bubbles appearing an estimated 10ft away (in game feet) and dying or having to run back into them to not die. There's more help me out guys. It's really all the same. We were hoping some of these things would of been fixed along with the knock off. So overall meh. We'll fight through it as usual. Not upset so please don't take this as a hate on dev or Bungie response. I can't do what they do so I'm tossing out a few things that have consistently happened that I think would make the raid overall more enjoyable if they get fixed. Or tell us it's working as intended and I'll get better!

I'm wondering what you're going to do about the people who got weapons like the Mythoclast illegitimately and then proceeded to whine about the nerf to their "hard earned" weapons.

Its still easy??

Great post below, couldn't have said it better even if I sniffed some cocaine to get to this level of emotional intelligence. I don't approve of repeating the raid hundreds of times however in the hopes to obtain my last piece of raid gear, the RNG is and always has been a complete bullshit system, it worked with korean grind mmo's 20 years ago, but this is the west and we're nearing 2015, we want to be rewarded for our damn deeds, so a guaranteed raid piece after slaying Atheon over and over again would be nice for a change. That and also an improvement of Crucible rewards, nobody except the terribads that are unwilling to improve their gameplay accepts braindeads with 0 kills and 20+ deaths gaining an exotic piece or a legendary engram, when the first places get jack shit 99,9% of the time. Seriously, that's just annoyingly -blam!-ed up and needs to change asap. Final note: a good job on the incoming Iron Banner changes. They are good and obviously needed this improvement. Just please work on the rest now and refrain from dishonesty toward your playerbase. But yeah, I guess this is about Atheon and not about the Crucible, the changes are good imo, it makes the raid not particularly harder though, just slightly more annoying. However what's good about it, is that people that weren't able to complete the Raid w/o cheesing Atheon, will be forced to learn this by failing and completing it the normal way, like most have done, like it was meant to be....although it isnt exactly fair to the newcomers. Either way Im ok with it, just the RNG needs to be eliminated or at least for the hard mode. Last time I did it I got twice in a row that lame sparrow from Atheon, none of us needs that crap for a 5th time, and then there's that unique chatterwhite, it makes you look so original, like you're the only one wearing that sublime substance of unique beauty, oh wait, everyone, their mom and dog has it, wtf happened, to make things worse the very item is even occupying my space and making sure Im not getting properly rewarded. So yeah, fix this shit!!

Logically makes sense that Atheon will select 3 randoms as it would make it seem like Atheon made the decision and not the players. Fixing the glitch was the right thing to do because Warlocks talk crap and say hunters are useless in the vault rejecting any hunters from participating in their raid run, and of course it is an exploit and exploits ruin the intention of a task. Finally, the Monkey error is really killing me. Sucks I had to be replaced in a raid run because of the systems error.

Thank you, Deej. I appreciate your specificity in this post (the fact that you mentioned some specific upcoming things the team is working on and that you spoke about things that the community asked for to the development team). Thank you for your hard work and for your listening/responding. I understand that the raid is meant to be hard, which is why I now am no longer mad or upset over this update. I will embrace it. Please continue helping our voices to be heard, and continue to be specific in your posts. That's what the community really wants. They want to know how you represent us, and the response to our representation, so I thank you again for that representation. #legend

RNG on a boss fight is artificial difficulty. Say your raid is hard all you want, doesn't change that 2 people were able to duo it on hard. Stop underestimating players and limiting how they wish to play, your game will not last if you keep down this road. I myself already decided to quit the game. Stop forcing your vision of your own game on others who simply wish to enjoy their time.

Still waiting for you guys to actually fix something... WRONG WITH THE DAMN GAME!!!! Blam!

you can still do it Deej, all seriousness the patch failed and even given a second week they have done nothing. i sound synical but meh. now he jumps off. i havent personally seen it but people are talking about it... :L... so i snitch'n~fix it bruh~