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Edited by Ishigami:
10/26/2014 10:41:41 PM
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Difficulty: Is anyone even playing this game without exploits on harder settings (Nightfall, heroic etc.)?
I’m am serious here.
Is anyone playing the missions, strikes etc. on harder difficulty (Nightfall, lvl 28 Heroic etc.) the way they are “supposedly” designed?
I can’t fathom this. Everything is killing you in basically one hit (or one hit and a gust).
I mean how do you survive 4 Wizards and 3 Knights at the same time in the Summoning Pits while staying inside the room when everything needs just to look at you to kill you?
I don’t think I am a bad player.
If I do strike playlists I’m usually the one without any death while also having the most kills etc.
I’ve been beating nightfall strikes and heroics for weeks… just not “the way they are meant to be played”. (tm Nvidia)
To cut to the chase: I exploit the living crap out of the AI and terrain.
By BlameItOnBrown:
[quote]OP raises a good point, and I think many people may have missed it.
Is it actually possible to run the nightfall/weekly strikes by actually playing the strike the way it was intended it to be played?
Phogoth is a great example, because I don't know if it is actually possible to go into the final chamber with Phogoth on Nightfall, and not die once the high level minions spawn. Can anyone here say they have done it that way? If not, then isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the game's difficulty gradient?[/quote]
Maybe I worded it poorly but its basically this.
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5 Replies60% of people are liars hahaha... there isn't a person here that went toe to toe with the wizards on the nightfall this week.
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4 RepliesSo I did the nightfall this week three times, yeah, I was very defensive and i'd only expose myself toenemies only if i had a clear headshot chance, even being 28 or 29 those wizards will kill you in one second at long distance, so playing defensive is an exploit now? I mean, i'm actually asking...
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3 RepliesI do the daily heroic on 28 all the time to get the extra item
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5 RepliesNothing kills you more in Nightfall than your own impatience
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1 ReplyIs that even a question to ask?
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2 RepliesBungie posted that the night falls strikes where harder then they originally intended and they would be fixed.. that was around the same time they said they would buff thorn and the other gun. You can tell that never happened.
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1 ReplyYeh good example was original Diablo 3. If you played Torment it would instajib most people if they got hit. You had to everything at range or just own GODLY gear if you were a melee. They changed this because it sucked really bad (took ages though) but I guess these guys need to learn the same lesson. My only hope is that it doesn't take Bungie a year or more to work out that one hit mechanics are horrible, that is unless it's something that has been designed to be avoidable too. They could give the wizards a new spell in nightfalls that gives them the ability to create portals that summon more hive, and the longer they are open the more hive / stronger hive come through etc. Instead we got the laziest way to increase difficulty :(
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Do you call standing at the entrance an exploit? Haha. Tiger Strikes I just go in balls deep. Say the Nightfall, I will be very careful and only move forward if it's required. I feel the only real exploit is Atheon and Templar. Everything else requires you to actually pump thousands of bullets into the boss. Except for the Psions strike on PS. You can sometimes push them off the edge with a rocket launcher, super, grenade, etc. But that's more luck than anything.
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Bladedancer hunter with invisibility and highest agility. Never died, just ran around shooting phogoth.
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I did it without the room with only 2 players...... and people insists on going in the room, wizards and those guys only spawn I'd you are in the room camping
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Bungie wanted people to push atheon off they didn't care either way they are trolling when they add a patch for an "exploit"
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[quote]I’m am serious here. Is anyone playing the missions, strikes etc. on harder difficulty (Nightfall, lvl 28 Heroic etc.) the way they are “supposedly” designed? I can’t fathom this. Everything is killing you in basically one hit (or one hit and a gust). I mean how do you survive 4 Wizards and 3 Knights at the same time in the Summoning Pits while staying inside the room when everything needs just to look at you to kill you? I don’t think I am a bad player. If I do strike playlists I’m usually the one without any death while also having the most kills etc. I’ve been beating nightfall strikes and heroics for weeks… just not “the way they are meant to be played”. (tm Nvidia) To cut to the chase: I exploit the living crap out of the AI and terrain. By BlameItOnBrown: [quote]OP raises a good point, and I think many people may have missed it. Is it actually possible to run the nightfall/weekly strikes by actually playing the strike the way it was intended it to be played? Phogoth is a great example, because I don't know if it is actually possible to go into the final chamber with Phogoth on Nightfall, and not die once the high level minions spawn. Can anyone here say they have done it that way? If not, then isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the game's difficulty gradient?[/quote] Maybe I worded it poorly but its basically this.[/quote] dattodoesdestiny is a YouTube channel that solos the night falls every week with weapons that everyone could or does he just use the burn affect (this week is arc) to his advantage
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I only used exploits twice in the nightfalls. For pho'goth I stood in the place that prevents all adds from spawning :/ and for the archon priest I stood on snipers rock where nothing can hit you... As for the wizards we used supers on them, worked pretty good.
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use cover and move alot , the adds are more dangerous than the boss
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This isn't difficulty done well, make the enemies more tactful, make them smart and make them use strategms to murder. Don't just make them even more of a bullet sponge with no way to counter any attacks.
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Yes, because using a cheap method isn't fun. It's boring.
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Find 2 more and team it man!! Seriously!! Way easier.
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We've always invented our own mechanics. Have a hunter hidden to anchor our spawn, not leave the first room, find an invulnerable spot on the map and snipe the boss. The only way to remove that is to remove the players choice. Like restricting the map.
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IMO all these so called "exploit" spots seem to be built into the game. As far as the ones I'm thinking of. For instance hiding under the platform in winters run, U can see the hole as some graphical detail as if the wiring was punched out from the inside. There are much more like this example in game on pretty much all the strikes.
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Beat whs on 28 last night from inside Phogoth's chamber. Spent an exceptional amount of time circling the room dodging adds, but ultimately used the only cover in the room to finish the job. There was only two of us, so that added to the time since ammo drops are always scarce it seems in higher level missions. That said, still had to sucker the wizards back into the beginning chamber of the darkness zone because there's no way you survive them from inside the room with those black mists and hallowed knights. It's just not happening.
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2 RepliesI cant imagine how much wizards are going to be hated in the moon raid.
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I love waking up & doing the daily on 28. Every Tuesday I Look Forward To Doing Nightfall & Heroic 28 x3 For All characters.. I Will Admit The Raid On 30. Can Be Bothersome @ some points but still pretty straight forward.
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The final bosses have Much MUCH less health if you run solo or as a pair. Aksor is damn near impossible on nightfall 3-man, 2 people though? breezed through.
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So many people hide in a corner or stays back in a room and snipe the boss. The poll % is a lie. There should be more no's than yes.
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You have to "exploit" things on the higher difficulties, there is no other way. You can't stand out in the open and fight, you need to hide, take shots as you can and creep though the missions using any tactics you can just to survive. I don't think any of that is cheating though, or not playing them as they were intended because there literally is no other way. You will loose if you try to fight them head on, you have to play it like Halo on Mythic.
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Edited by Auriventris: 10/27/2014 11:37:05 AMFor this Nightfall i had to do it solo because im a loner and have no friends =( .... Anyway, For phogoth i just cleared out the entire room with a scout rifle from the entrance into the summoning pits of enemies and then fired my fusion rifle at him as fast as possible. Managed to kill him after only one drop ship spawn which i got rid of the entire group with one flash bang grenade. I think i could of done it properly if i just had two other friends but, you know, this works to. =] Also, I don't know if this is an exploit but flash bang grenades from my Titan striker were pretty much my main source of damage OR head room to slip past mobs without killing them. =| Crazy arc damage and a stun effect, makes the enemies easy pickings with an arc machine gun OR lifeless mobs for you to sprint past. Like for the wizards, I got them to go into the entrance way that leads to the 3 wave defence, which is a tight chokepoint, I throw one Flash Bang grenade, They all lose there shields and i finish them with a Rocket or my Swarm machine. Defence over and im off to phogoth. =)
