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Nerf this nerf that beat everything with a big nerf bat what's that? Ohh you're dying in the crucible and we all know that is simply inexcusable, that damn gun is just too usable! I won't say you're crying, I understand you dying must crush your little ego but you can keep lying, to me the community but mostly yourself, maybe you should just sit the remote on the shelf. Go get some air I know it's not fair but just because you suck doesn't mean I should care. There ya go. A witty rhyming version of why you are just a crying tool.

Epilogue is already weak in crucible compared to others EVEN with perfect balance. No real balancing issues with it, its just people who know how to use it vs people who dont. Also yes btw, anyone posting about "patch this/ nerf" this pertaining to pvp is in fact whining and killing the whole pve aspect. Already ruined good weapons for it. Dont need to ruin any more

. here is "balance" for you. perfect balance gives +35 stability, at the cost of -20 range, fun fact is,atheon stability can max out at maybe 60 stability, this is BELOW all other auto rifle archetypes, shadow price DEFAULT stab is at is at 56, which is almost on par with a perfect balance atheon epilogue, BUT a rapid fire archetype weapon damage is 1/14 that of a impact impact autorifle (like suros regime) now does this mean it fires 14 time FASTER then these rifles? nope, it barely fire 30% faster, so that means atheon epilogue, and ALL other rapid fire archetype auto rifles are the WEAKEST most UNDERPOWERED auto rifles in the game, they pump out damage per second that is pathetic compared with every other auto rifle. If you wanted balance, then give me a rapid fire archetype that deals as much DPS as the other archetype, adn can actually stay on target as easily as the other archetypes. also, by your use of the specific names, you don't know how weapons mods work in game. with the exception of raid gear, and exotics, weapon mods are RANDOM, what you are whining about, are basically, possibly EVERY SINGLE AUTO RIFLE in game, shadow price is a IMPACT archetype, doctor nope is a rapid fire archetype, shingen-e is balanced archetype, hell vanquisher is ANOTHER impact archetype,. you cry about atheon epilogue, obviously you have never used a rapid fire archetype weapon, there is a stat in the background that nullifies your argument, it's called RECOIL, it doesn't have a number on the stat sheet, but it is VERY real, and it PUNISHES faster firing weapon quite severely, but you use suros regime, a VERY mild recoiling and very STABLE weapon, so you have no idea what your talking about.

Maybe for PvP. I don't really care what they do on that side of the house. But please keep said nerf out of my PvE. Pretty please?

[quote]An assault rifle that fires that fast should not be that accurate. [/quote][quote]Atheon's Epilogue with Perfect Balance 900 RPM Doctor Nope with Perfect Balance 900 RPM Shadow Price 450 RPM Shingen-E 600 RPM Silver Hushwind D 600 RPM Suros Regime with no upgrades 450 RPM Vanquisher VIII 450 RPM[/quote] You seem to be unaware of the fact that fast firing models of Auto Rifles kill in the same amount of time as slower firing models. Slightly more than 13 damage per headshot at 900 RPM == 20 damage per headshot at 600 RPM. Without Perfect Balance, they kick much more than lower RoF models do with no benefit other than slightly higher aim assist values and slightly more damage per clip. For them to be markedly less accurate, there first has to be a benefit to using them through that inaccuracy. Lowering the accuracy further would, in fact, objectively decrease the balance among fire rates. Also, all those guns you listed have different rates of fire. In fact, you listed MORE with SLOW rates of fire than high ones. So, basically, you have a problem with any Auto Rifle being accurate. Well, there are reasons for this. Atheon's Epilogue and Doctor Nope have the same TTK as all the other Auto Rifles. Why use them if they kicked a lot more? Shadow Price/Vanquisher are more accurate than comparable base models because they have less Range. Shingen-E and Silver Hushwind D aren't all that accurate without Stability upgrades. With them, they are pretty accurate but not exactly lasers at long range; they are also Rare weapons, losing a perk slot. Suros Regime with no upgrades is a sucker's weapon. Even with Linear Compensator, it only deals 5% more damage than Perfect Balance Shadow Price, which isn't enough to save a single bullet in most encounters. A waste of an Exotic slot, unless you have no other Exotics, at which point it would be considered a slight upgrade. Please tell us WHY you think Auto Rifles with a higher rate of fire should be less accurate than lower rate of fire weapons, when they take just as long to kill with them. Even with Perfect Balance, they are less accurate than lower rate of fire variants with Perfect Balance. They gain slightly more damage per clip and aim assistance to offset this. Even then, if anything, high RoF Auto Rifles are slightly UP, not OP. Unless you can demonstrate through FACTS, math and statistical analysis that something is broken, your opinion has little validity.

For a post like this to have any credibility you need to have slowed video clips comparing the weapons you feel are unbalanced and show kill times on players. If a slower firing weapon like Shadow Price kills in (random number) 2.08 seconds and AE or Doctor Nope kills in 2.04 or 2.10, that's still balanced. If overall the damage per second is within a comparable range I see no issue. 50 bullets in 2 seconds that do 2 damage each, or 1 bullet per second that does 50 damage each (with damage balanced reloads).

If only nerfing guns made you a better pvper ey...thank The Lord Bungie ain't as stupid as you little boy.

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