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Edited by Fragmented Hero:
10/18/2014 7:41:02 AM
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I have not complained about any changes to this game.
- Loot Cave - okay, patch it (and you gave us a fun Easter Egg at that).
- Gun nerfs/buffs - you guys know best, you can watch how we play and address what's needed to provide multiple alternatives with weapon selection in PVP.
- Templar column - Even though I backed this as a "strategy", I only tried to help *one* group that insisted on it and my group has always had dedicated roles in that fight. We played the ground game and continue to do so, we're better and faster at it.
- Atheon "baby bumpers" - Yes, please. They're not necessary when you have a good team who play well together and know roles that we have unanimously determined by preference and vote. I didn't support the bug that broke him.
- Atheon's teleport behavior? - Please, Bungie, please. Most successful Raid teams have found that different members are better at different roles. This is a TEAM event. I, for one, am the dedicated Relic-holder for that fight. We've watched gameplay mechanics, we developed a system, a strategy, to break our group into two. Portal team does what needs to be done in the portals, and Gatekeeper team survives the hordes of suicidal Harpies, opens the necessary gate, and generally does the most damage to Atheon once Portal team is out, because we're busy getting ready to go back in again.
[b]The Atheon teleport change will break not only our strategy, but most successful teams' strategies.[/b] The fight will be utter chaos. Not everyone plays the same role in a team - that's what makes a TEAM. If we could all perform the same roles, we'd be interchangeable. Why stay together? Our group dynamics are great and we all get along well, but the glitches in Atheon's fight were tough enough to get through without someone raging. The deaths of a single dedicated member alone can make the fight unwinnable.
[b]We are using legitimate strategy there, Bungie.[/b] There is no unfair advantage, no taking advantage of unfair enemy behavior (some predictability is not a bad thing!), we just got our team 100% set [i]this week[/i]! Not everyone can be expected to perform the same in a team. We all have strengths and weaknesses and that is part of what brings us together. [b]We fill in each other's gaps in playstyle to complete the group.[/b]
Please rethink this Atheon patch. "Baby bumpers" are great. Make the community fight for their victory! But don't completely trash mechanics that aren't broken. I know six of me could not beat this Raid, nor could six of any other gamer I know. Level playing fields are great, but don't take away our individual strengths.
Sorry for the long post. I will be reposting this in the Feedback forum where it belongs, as I've asked others who post in the #destiny category. [b]I've always supported you guys and plan on continuing to... Don't break the Raid, please![/b]
Edit: Providing a link to the Feedback thread, as requested.
http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/73650422
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Very well said.
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I was just agreeing to a comment about seeing someone for the first time saying the same exact thing in multiple paragraphs... But to see it happen twice within an hour. I'm going to go buy a lotto ticket.
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This update has been a load of shite it has messed with the game and I can't play and I had this bout three weeks and only been able to play it half the time cos its to buggy apparently
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Why can't I be on your raid team. ;_;
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It's so beautiful :,)
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Agreed.
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Agreed, bungie is killing it's own game right now and this awesome community is trying to save it.
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10/10 on your comment
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Agree 100%
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That's all nice and dandy....but seriously....fix bad juju and thorn....the two best looking primaries set In my inventory and do nothing because they are unusable (effectively). You said you'd fix them over 2 weeks ago. Also...pocket infinity blows now...what the hell?! 3 shots fully auto?!.....better go with plan c.
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Its like bungie wants to be like 343.total game -blam!- ups
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Yay! I found the string of comments with the other people that know what they're talking about. |3 I'm home now. Agree 100 percent that all the changes are for the better.
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Well said. I for one hope some new stuff is rewarded. Otherwise why enter that chaos now when I've gotten pretty much everything. If the fight is going to be twice as hard from the utter lack of being able to strategize then I for one would need incentive. I hope you don't do it bungie. Completely understand the atheon thing. That was ridiculous (but nice :)
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I agree. Bungie, why do you want to change stuff that works well? Becouse there are some players that can beat your Dungeons if they work together? If this is a plan, to make this Dungeon more challenging, then it is a bad plan. If it is not broken, dont try to fix it...
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I completely understand the changes made to the loot caves and gun balances (and this is coming from someone who prefers auto/shotty), but PLEASE leave the Atheon teleportation alone, at least in the normal version. My clan just started into the Vault of Glass, and are on the Atheon fight at the moment. Not all of us are ultra-hardcore top-tier raiders. Some people need a bit of specialization to make sense of a chaotic fight. I'm proud to say that I am the "relic guy," and I know our team that stays out of the portals are happy that they only have to focus getting the portals open while staying alive. The Vault is probably the most fun that I've had with Destiny, but I don't know if my clan members would be willing to put up with the added chaos and frustration that random teleportation would bring about. Please leave the option for specific roles available. I am having a great time playing the game, but most of that enjoyment comes from playing along with my friends and clan-mates. If they leave due to frustration, a lot of what is holding me to the game goes with them. Please keep this kind of thing in mind, as I'm sure there are other players in the same situation as I am.
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I completely agree! I won't be able to take new players or even players that don't know the shield on raids anymore. My friends and clan mates are training for this patch now however I doubt most players will have the time and/or patience to train new raiders for the new roles they will be randomly given.
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Random teleports are necessary because.
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A hundred times this. Please don't screw us on this bungie!
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Agree
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[quote] [b]The Atheon teleport change will break not only our strategy, but most successful teams' strategies.[/b] The fight will be utter chaos. Not everyone plays the same role in a team - that's what makes a TEAM. If we could all perform the same roles, we'd be interchangeable. Why stay together? Our group dynamics are great and we all get along well, but the glitches in Atheon's fight were tough enough to get through without someone raging. The deaths of a single dedicated member alone can make the fight unwinnable. [b]We are using legitimate strategy there, Bungie.[/b] There is no unfair advantage, no taking advantage of unfair enemy behavior (some predictability is not a bad thing!), we just got our team 100% set [i]this week[/i]! Not everyone can be expected to perform the same in a team. We all have strengths and weaknesses and that is part of what brings us together. [b]We fill in each other's gaps in playstyle to complete the group.[/b] [/quote] 100% agree with this (except it's tactics, not strategy. *wink*). Strategy is choosing players classes and the individual buffs within that class. Strategy is making sure everyone has plenty of ammo synths. Tactics are used in the fight against Atheon himself. Where players go to take cover and prepare to take down the Supplicants while the away team prepare to take on the time jumping. In fact I'm wrong in my original statement. Bungie are going to totally screw up both strategy AND tactics... and what for? Because Bungie don't like that players have learned how to beat their Raid? This is utter BULL in my mind. Whoever decided this crap needs to get a life. Fix the baby bumpers yeah. [b][u]BUT LEAVE THE DAMNED TIMESTREAM ALONE![/u][/b] 😬
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One relic holder to another, I totally agree. The relic is my job on the raid team (super fun as well) and randomizing teleports might just put 3 people who hate/don't know how to use the relic into the fray. Now, Bungie may say "Everyone should do their job". Well guess what? Those other 3 aren't slacking, they're staying alive and bringing us back. They're doing their job, I'm doing my job, and the Vault is a happy place.
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I agree. Deej makes ot sound like the ones who dont go through the portal are just chillin with a cup of coffee, but between the minaraurs and exploding harpies, they have their hands full.
