Just don't do PVP and stick to PVE-only content. That's what i'm doing and I'm never finding myself getting bored cause I have nothing to do. Players who only do PVP must be saying the same thing to themselves: "Stop shoving PVE down my throat, please. I only do PVP and I don't want to have to do PVE content just to get gear through PVE related missions, strikes and raids." Destiny is a huge game and Bungie managed to balance both PVE and PVP content quite well. IMHO, someone that tries to do all PVE and PVP content is just too damn hardcore, and those kind of players are rare. Most of us have a life. ^_-

Carebears all up in here. Don't ruin my pvp.

hate PVP. love PVE. sucks that legendary weapons need PVP participation.

I ran through the steps of an exotic weapon bounty thinking it was a PvE thing. When I completed it, it revealed that Part 2 was PvP. I wasn't happy, but I simply discarded the quest in spite of the work I had already put in. I then received ANOTHER exotic weapon bounty that appeared to be a single part with no mention of further steps. When I completed it, another new bounty popped up - CRUCIBLE ONLY. I was enjoying mostly soloing the game in spite of the grind at times and thought I was doing all right. I played strikes with other people and it even had me searching for a clan to join - something I have never done in YEARS of gaming. Destiny inspired me to seek out other people - strangers, that is - to play with cooperatively. Any co-op game I have played in the past I have played exclusively with people I knew outside the game because I want to play with my friends, not necessarily use a game to make friends (not opposed to it, I'm just picky about who I call friend and it's tough to be selective in a game-based environment). Destiny has made me interested in finding Destiny players, finding friends and teammates among Destiny players, and playing with people all the time. However, there is one thing I do not enjoy, something I consider to be the most obnoxious of all forms of multiplayer gaming, and that is PvP. I'm way too old to put up with the immature fratboy behaviour and obnoxious 12 year olds who camp out to prove their (lack of) manhood by one shotting and harassing new players rather than helping. I have played PvP in many different types of games - MMOs, arenas, and so on - and have pretty much wound up despising it universally. So, when I put in an enormous amount of time on a couple of quests that didn't WARN ME in advance that I was going to have to go through some BS PvP gateway, I was furious. I STILL AM. Having this odious gameplay mode crammed down my throat by hiding 75% of the equipment behind it is bad enough. To then WASTE my effing time by having me jump through hoops and then snatching the prize away at the end demonstrates a contempt for anyone who wants to play co-operatively and not competitively with other people. We aren't all MLG wannabes, and having fun in competitive multiplayer takes a particular kind of gamer. Unfortunately, the subset of gamers who reflect poorly on the gaming community in the public eye are largely from this gamer subset - the uber-competitive, misogynistic, inflexible homophobes that make up a small percentage of real gamers but are the most prominently displayed example in the public eye and ruin things for everyone. These are the kind of people I've encountered for years that have and always will turn me off any forced competitive multiplayer. I seriously considered simply quitting the game when I received this "big reveal", but I have worked myself up to level 27 and, as I said, would really like to play co-op with people because it can be damn fun. But I can tell you one thing, from now on I will be looking up any bounties or quests on the web before I embark on them and discover I have to go be shot in the face by 9-year-old campers in order to unlock what I should be able to do through other means. TL;DR: Make a game that doesn't depend on the Crucible, Bungie. You want that component, fine but I agree with the OP: STOP SHOVING GARBAGE DOWN MY THROAT.

Why would the open the Crucible gear up to Vanguard marks? That's the whole point of having the different marks. You don't have to play multiplayer, and you can still buy exotic gear from the Agent of the Nine with strange coins. There you go, I fixed your problem.

It's ironic that a game that's entire mythos is based around its players pushing back the darkness choses to offer more rewards to players who want to kick each other's nuts in than those who actually fight said darkness. When the game mechanics are so polarizing(pve/pvp) and in which gear is mandatory to level your character to experience content, you would think the gear would be purchased evenly by both types of player. Especially when leveling means dick all to pvp players and everything to pve players.

False. You're only playing half the game. The only way games stay alive is pvp. People didn't keep playing halo 1 for years because assault on the control room rocked, it was LAN parties. And you bought a game made by activision, obviously known for their exhaustive campaign in the CoD titles. C'mon man.

This whole forced PVP sucks and makes people resort to boosting. Just get 2 friends together and go to rumble. Find a corner of the map to constantly run some location and shoot each other in the head. You can clear these st00pid bounties in a couple of hours that way but it ruins the game for people who actually enjoy PVP. They should make every bounty have 2 options like kill 200 Fallen with head shots or 20 guardians in PVP where each crucible headshot earns you 10 fallen worth of progress. This should be a pretty easy thing to code.

Just adding my agreement. Not hugely interested in PVP. Dual bounty options or combining marks is a great idea. Does any PVPer really want me dicking around trying to get 25 headshot kills with a Scout Rifle on their team in Crucible so I can get my pretty Purple Armor shader?

I agree with you on the subject of the Queen's bounties. We already know there are going to be Iron Banner bounties, as there were in the beta. Why does the Queen have to give those as well? In fact, it makes no sense for her to be interested in the Crucible at all, considered according to the lore it's more of a training arena for Guardians than anything. Shax treats it like an arena, but it's meant to test Guardians in battle. Why would the Queen of the Reef, who cares so little about the Tower, the Traveler, or anything else on Earth... care about being represented in a training arena? Bah, who am I kidding? We're talking about the same people who thought it would be a good idea to have her give you missions to kill things that are already dead before you ever even meet her. "Old scores" indeed...

My exotic bounty made me kill Phogoth, which isn't a big deal. Then it made me kill 500 hive. Still not a big deal. Now I have to kill 500 people in PvP with void weapons and every time I die, I loose value to the bounty.