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Edited by Vishimtar: 9/25/2014 10:37:00 AM
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Stop shoving PvP down my throat, please

[b]75% of all the legendaries are gated behind pvp rep / crucible marks[/b] [b]Almost all of the exotic bounties have difficult pvp steps[/b] [i]Thorn – Exotic Handgun -- Kill Guardians in the Crucible using void damage. Deaths slow your progress greatly! Bad Juju – Exotic Pulse Rifle -- Fight in the Crucible and obtain 10,000 points and have a kill to death ratio above 1-1 Invective – Shotgun -- Fight in the Crucible and achieve 25 more kills than deaths. Fate of All Fools – Exotic Scout Rifle -- Multiple PvP steps[/i] [b]Every special event that has occurred is occurring or is scheduled to occur is pvp oriented[/b] [i]Salvage - PvP Combined Arms - PvP Queen's Wrath - PvP/PvE Iron Banner - PvP[/i] I thought Queen's bounty was going to be a pure pve event, but alas 3 out of the 4 bounties for today are, you guessed it, pvp bounties. Why the extreme bias in favor of pvp when this game was touted as a shared world, rpg style loot, exploration heavy, "play your way" kind of game? If you're going to have all these pvp events and do nothing for the pvers you're cutting yourselves off at the knees, and the description of the game offered by Bungie feels misleading. [b]Possible solutions:[/b] Give bounties dual objectives, 1 that's pvp centric and 1 that's pve centric and allow the player to choose which way to finish the bounties. Open up all of the vendors to both currencies. I understand that recycling PvP which kind of creates its own content is easier than creating something new for PvE, but I'd be happy even with a recycled content PvE event mixed in with all of the PvP events. Queen event is the best attempt at that thus far, but all of the other events are purely focused on PvP and it just feels as though the PvE is being jilted.
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  • 75% of legendary gear is not gated by PVP. Do not state something that is clearly incorrect and is an untrue statistic being used to emphasize the point you are trying to make. How can you say that this game is biased towards PvP? I am a heavy PvP player, it's what I know and what I'm good at. However at the bare minimum half of my gear has come from the PvE realm. To say this game caters to the PvP is complete nonsense. If I'm not mistaken PvE has six bounties a day just like PvP does. The queen bounties have 3 PvP and 3 PvE last I checked. PvE has Nightfall strikes which gives you a guaranteed exotic, legendary, set of ascendant shards/energies. PvE has weekly strikes that reward you with up to 9 strange coins that can be used with Xur to buy Exotics. PvE has Raids which gives you the chance at some great gear. Then with the great abundance of engrams that you get from PvE you can keep leveling the Cryptarch with potential chances to unlock exotics/legendaries. Now then, we come to the exotic bounties. I see nothing wrong with how they are currently set up. They are their on unique types of bounties and should have requirements from both aspects of the game. If anything the exotic bounties have more PvE in them than they do PvP. The three exotice bounties I have completed have had ONE PvP requirement (which are not really that difficult when you think about it, 500 points of void damage probably being the toughest one). These are top items in the game and should be difficult and challenging to achieve. If you want The problem I have with Strictly PvE people is they don't like to compete, they simply want to take the easy road and mind numbingly shoot AI for hours knowing eventually they will get great gear after eventually playing enough to exploit bosses or establish patterns that will take away any challenge presented. In my opinion this is what makes you people bad in the PvP world because you are not used to fighting against another human that thinks, strategizes and where unknown variables occur. As a result you attack Bungie for trying to get you people out of your comfort zone and step up to a challenge. Being a PvP player, I don't like all the PvE stuff I have to do to get the things I want but I suck it up and do it anyways without complaining. We are all going to come across aspects of the game we aren't particularly fond of. Bungie simply can not Cater to any one single persons or groups needs due to the quantity of people who play this game. I am all for your suggestions for dual bounty requirements and opening the vendors to both currencies. I feel that would add to the value of the game for everyone. I just hate the fact that a majority of you bash Bungie with a lot of BS statistics and "facts" when they are untrue. I ultimately feel Bungie has made a very good and balanced game with challenging elements to it. Most of all the whining needs to come to an end and you sometimes have to nut up and do things you don't want to do in life.

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    • I agree, I remember reading in GameInformer months ago their interview with the developers. The developers saying pvp is there if you want it but its not important to those who will never touch it........but alas, if you want those faction legendaries. .......

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      • TLDR U Dont Have To DO PVP. Go Do PVE THEN Youll be fine.

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        • So how come people who focus on PvP don't complain about the pve components of the bounties? I personally play both, but I've yet to see a post on this site demanding the removal of pve requirements for exotic bounties. The PvP components aren't as bad as they look, you don't need to totally dominate a match to complete it. You don't even have to do very well. It's just as fair to make the pve focused people PvP as it is to make the PvP people do pve, yet only one group is complaining, think about that.

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          • I am not good at it but I love it. And it's almost unfair that the bounties for pvp are skill based and PvE are not. But I wouldn't change it. Ppl that r great at it deserve to showcase their skills and get rewarded for it. As far as shoving down r throats, i dont think it is. U can earn rep in PvE and then all u need r crucible marks to buy the stuff and those r not skill based. I think it's actually done right b/c it nudges me and incentivized me to go play it. And it's working and I am actually getting better and loving it. I do agree that if u r gonna incluse phases for exotics it shouldn't b skill based, it should just be, play 5 matches, or get 10 kills, not get 20 heads hots with a sniper. All i know is that I love this game.

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          • I absolutely love pvp in every game played except for destiny. PVP in destiny is so bad the developers should recognize this fact and make adjustments. I have friends who enjoy destiny pvp but none who can do it for very long. Most people I meet in game depise it. I tolerate it and do it for marks but I really don't care. I will just leave if the game if stupif. I had the kill 25 titans bounty and joined several games with no titan on the other side. I just left. It does not matter. Finally found a game with Titans. Did a few and got the kill count mid game then left. I have never played pvp and not cared about win/loss or k/d until this hacked up ridiculous game. Destiny pvp sucks. It is the greatest threat to the longevity of this game.

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          • I agree, or at the very least any special bounty inolving PVP should be Iron Banner.

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          • Games like this should be about choices plan and simply. when u start making people have to do both to unlock stuff that just wrong. and I think unless they change. they will b losing a lot of gamer. people like what there like. Choices bungee not forced. where r the choices bungee.

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          • Yeah I don't even take the PvP bounties. Not worth it. I'm not terrible in PvP, as I have played a lot of it over the years since many console games don't have deep PvE experiences... I just don't do them because PvP is much less enjoyable to me. I value my enjoyment of the gameplay more than the rewards I could get from doing PvP. I haven't even completed one PvP match on my Hunter character.

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            • Shut up and play the damn game or going to the nearest GameStop and get your 38 bucks credit.

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              • All of this very much. I like PvE and detest PvP. I am so tired of being told I have to go to the Crucible. Where is the path to exotic weapons outside of pure dumb luck in PvE? Please recognize what other MMOs have done for say the past ten years. There are PvE server and PvP servers. People chose one or the other for a reason. Stop the compulsory PvP. I don't enjoy it. Given the lead up and marketing I expected a PvE/Co-op path to be fully available. However now that I am in the 20's I see PvP everywhere.

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              • I should have listened to my first instinct when I heard about Destiny, but admittedly I was caught up in the hype train and the beta caught my interest. So I thought Id give it a try and for a while there my friends and I had a blast. Then as level 20 hit and the impossibility to level up at a reasonable pace do to the horrible loot system, the honeymoon goggles of Bungies's first independent title began to wear off. I saw it for what it was....a corporate cash train running on the fan base of Halo fans. A loot system that requires hours on hours of grinding with no reward only to be chastised by Bungie for finding a way to feel somewhat of a satisfaction of being rewarded for farming at the Cave of Wonders, a guild level system that, again, requires hours and hours of grinding for barely any payoff and god forbid you actually buy something from one of the factions because you wont be able to buy anything for 2 weeks from the same one due to the 100 mark limit, areas being removed for further implementation in DLC, a story that just doesnt exist, not explanation of anything in the game other than the occasional fun fact by the "wonderful" Peter D. It all adds up to disappointment.

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                • Yesterday the Queen's bounties were 4/2 in favor of PvE, haven't checked today. That's hardly an "extreme" bias. It's more than justifiable to ask for PvP requirements for exotic gear. They are generally the best-in-slot in both areas so it's not unreasonable to ask for requirements in both areas. And don't bring up other MMO's. This isn't an MMO according to Bungie (even though it is) and even in those, PvP gear usually has different stat distrubution so it's only really usable in PvP. "All these pvp events"...haha. That's why 3 of the 4 daily/weekly resets are PvE...

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                  • Not sure if trolling or stupid. This game has a HUGE focus in pve. The pvp side of the game is extremely limited and needs to be a priority in order to ensure the longevity of the game.

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                  • Has anyone made innuendo of what he would prefer shoved down his throat? Anyone?! I never thought i'd say this...but i'm losing faith in the internet's juvenile sense of humor...

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                    • I'm kinda considering ditching my Thorn bounty. Really can't be bothered with or motivated to do PvP.

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                      • I spend all day working. The last thing I want to do is get home, fire up the console, and start working again. That is what PvP feels like to me, work. Shoot, I prefer my day job to my "night job" right now. Hear that Bungie, I seriously would choose my day job vs. PvP if both granted me Legendary and Exotic items. Sadly, all I get from the day job is a paycheck with which to buy games that make me grind for hours for minimal reward.

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                      • I detest PvP. If I want to play PvP I go to battlefield. Where getting a kill takes skill. Not the casual catered nonsense that PvP is in destiny.

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                        • Unfortunately this is the route most games are headed. When Titanfall launched with basically no campaign, it changed the way games were made for the future. Now you get a very bland story that is 70% finished and you have to pay to get the rest of it on DLC releases, while the PVP aspect of the game is what is given the most attention now.

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                        • Edited by DEZARATH: 9/24/2014 1:34:13 PM
                          I know, -blam!- PVP. Stop shoving it on us and put in a currency that works for the factions for PVE players. Not everyone likes the PVP mode.

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                        • Agreed, I really have no interest in PvP in this game. I know plenty of people do like it and they should have challenges and event for those who are into pvp, but at the moment it seem a lot of the focus in regards to bounty's is for PvP. I would even mind that if it just told you before you picked and exotic bounty that it contains PvP elements, then I would have to waste my time on the first part only to be disappointed.

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                          • thank you for posting this. i have been saying the same thing since the beta. this game was heavily mis-advertised and i have been very disappointed by how much progress i have missed out on compared to the people i play with because they play pvp and i dont. a perfect example is the amount of time it takes me to farm 50 consumables to get 5 crucible marks. in that same time, my friends can play enough pvp games to attain 6-10 marks, so i am always trailing behind each week. i am a pve player, and i will soon be moving onto a true pve co-op game if there is not some kind of change soon.

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                            • i HATE pvp in Destiny. i have no urge get into it. its full cry babies and cod players. Bungie please for the love of great gaming please SEPARATE pve and pvp. weapons and gear, the lot of it. and do not ever make a pve quest go anywhere near pvp. i will not do it and never will. fix the dam servers and the loot drops need to come from bosses we can farm them.

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                            • I like your idea of dual objective bounties, just to give players more options. Great suggestion!

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                            • Agreed,if I want PvP I just fire up BF4 and jump in a vehicle on a map 20 times the size of these. The only time my account has done PvP is when my 6 year old wanted to play,and he still got more rewards than everyone else for being at the bottom.

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