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Edited by strondbokken: 9/18/2014 9:03:43 PM
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No Matchmaking for Endgame Raids? Buh Bye, Destiny....

Sorry, but this is the deal breaker for me and millions of others I've seen flaming this incredibly poor decision. First off, THIS IS NOT AN MMO. It lacks all the things you need to get a good judge of who you are raiding with as well and has no way to meet people. Second, even if I DID want to meet randoms, how can I? No public chat, no way to communicate at all, no way to do anything except "dance" or "wave". I've heard their lead developer "defend" this decision, as all out-of-touch executives do. "Our raids are so hard, you'll NEED 6 people that are friends blah blah blah". Sorry, but a "hard" raid doesn't always add up to an enjoyable experience. Are these raids harder than the legendary MMO raids that grouped strangers in raids for decades? Doubt it. And please stop making us sound like antisocial losers for wanting to try it with strangers. You guys at Bungie sound like an overbearing dungeon master in D&D and it's really poor form, especially since every Destiny forum is filled with "LFG" posts for VoG. Now, what you've done is put the nail in the coffin for 99% of your user base. I've been in love with this game up until yesterday, when I realized that even with my fancy legendary and exotic weapons, all I could do without 5 other "friends" was the same old lvl 24 strike for the millionth time. Not much fun. The same levels and the same bosses over and over just with higher levels? So much potential wasted by people who have no idea what people really want. 6/10 right now, just like to rest of the world is saying. Hoping for improvement. Great gameplay, but not much else to keep its hooks in you. Everything else looks like it was done by the MMO B Team. PvP needs work too, but that will come in time I'm sure. Gonna miss the game, but what's the point in playing when you are already grinding repetitively in the first week and there's no change on the horizon? ALSO, please explain to me how LFG posts on random forums are a batter way to do this than adding matchmaking? STILL random people. Not friends, just people without 5 active friends (just like me) who want to do the content. Silly if you ask me. UPDATE: So I took the advice of those saying "I have poor social skills in games" (let's ignore the irony in that for a second) and started adding random people that were good in Strikes, people I met, whatever. Added over 50 people in the past few days. And guess what? Maybe 5 of them are online at a time. Even in the clans I 'm in. And out of those 5, maybe ONE will answer when I send a message to raid. Maybe. With no social tools, no public chat, no clan management, and these "incredibly hard raids" that Bungie seems to be SO proud of, they've essentially pissed off many people instead of making this fun for anyone. First off, what is the point of making a raid THAT hard? Does it make your developer epeen stiffen up to see people wipe 1,600 times? Pandemonium was like that in FFXI and it was a laughing stock. Nobody liked it. And second, where is the other content for those of us who don't have 15+ hours to raid per week? There are no other dungeons/raids besides the ones on repeat in strikes. Boring. Even WoW had at least a half dozen random dungeons you could so between levels 40-60 at launch. They also had numerous mobs instead of 4 factions with 4 different mobs in each. I'm now level 27. More than adequately geared for a raid. Strikes are the most mundane thing ever now, since I've done them so many times. I've farmed for legendary engrams, I've gotten rep up with several factions. I've got some exotic weapons (though none of them are that great outside of pvp - shotguns, etc.). I'm literally pretty much out of stuff to do and it's only been a week. Yes, I play a lot, but come on. There should be at least something to do other than grind. Aside from Ascendant Shards, there's not much more I need to increase my gear anyway. And where's my motivation to increase it when I can easily kill everything EXCEPT what's in the raid which I can't find people for? Also, Bungie, if you're going to be this obtuse about our player abilities, then at least add some sort of clan management system in game. Why does the game with the biggest budget ever still have us posting "LFG for VoG": on random forums? Why do we need to leave game to even see what our own clan is doing? And why are we supposed to get hyped about the next xpac when we can't even enjoy this one? I bet maybe 1% of the player pop has even tried VoG. Nobody wants to even give it a shot now because it's so hard. I'm sure I'll continue to get flamed on this post by kids younger than some of the dents in my car, but the fact remains that this game, although an epic achievement, has missed the mark entirely on what it needs to keep people involved for more than a month. Sure, it's a new game, but the old "new games are always lacking, buggy, etc." argument is no longer valid. Only in the gaming industry is this acceptable and it needs to stop. You have $500,000,000 invested in this. Surely you could have taken .0001% of that to hire decent writers and some immersion? Wishful thinking I guess... I really hope a Bungie dev reads this and takes it to heart, but they won't. So, I guess I'll just hold my breath in the hopes that they are aware of how unhappy everyone is and do something about it. I love this game and I see so much potential in it. But for god's sake, PLEASE stop trying to reinvent the wheel at every turn. Some things just work. Leave them be and put more effort into decent writing and immersion. This game will never live up to its potential without it.
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  • Lol another person who is butt hurt about not having their hand held. Find your own friends and try again.

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  • I think there needs to be an option to engage in chat with someone in the tower

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  • Edited by Kheala: 9/17/2014 11:28:43 AM
    If you put as much effort into finding 5 other people as you did into this post you'd probably be in there by now.

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  • the endgames raids NEED 6 coordinated people, they are not something 6 randoms can do. Look at groups try this raid and they cant get past the front door and realize the developers made a stupid hard raid, yes harder than those legendary raids. Some other activities should genuinely have matchmaking, but the raids are not in that group.

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    • Question I keep asking is why not? It wont take away from the game if they add a raid finder. It'll just allow people that otherwise wouldn't be able to raid, to raid. It wont be as good as doing them with friends only, not by a long way, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option.

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      • Were gonna do the vault of glass with ransoms anyway, it's just a pain in the ass to get people without matchmaking CHANGE IT BUNGIE

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      • you probably could have made a LFG post and been raiding before you finished this post. I don't disagree completely. I think there should be a MM for ppl who want to PUG it regardless. I don't think it will be successful, you know how randoms are after one wipe.

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        • It took the clan Primeguard nearly 11 hours and a combined death count of 1,606 to complete the world first clear of Vault of Glass. Do you really think a random match made group would have the motivation to stay and wipe time after time to complete the Raid? No way! These raids are going to be hard. Yes when people gear up and learn the tactics it will get easier, that's how raiding goes. If people want to get a random match made group to do raids each week Bungie is going to have to dumb down the difficulty. While that means more people will clear the Raid I feel it takes away the enjoyment of clearing a raid. If you want to raid join a clan or make new friends to form weekly run groups. People don't want to spend hours doing a raid I get that. You have a week to do one raid for a reason. From experience when raids are made too easy and everyone is clearing them it makes the game boring.

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        • Hearing this reminds me of the old days of WoW when I spent hours looking for a group for just a normal 5 man dungeon. Ahhh yes those were the days then they decided to introduce LFG and everyone was all like THAT'S STUPID NOW IMA BE STUCK WITH SCRUBS then after a few months of LFG everyone could not have been happier.

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          • Would you like some cheese with that wine?

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          • If your quitting can I have your stuff... Crap no trading... Keep forgetting XD

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          • K enjoy missing out in probably the best/Most challenging thing in destiny.

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            • Bye you won't be missed :)

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            • I would like to see match making, there's obviously checkpoints in these 11 hour raids, so save my check point and then match make with with anyone else who has the same checkpoint. I get it's not the ideal way to play, but surely that will be easier than finding 6 people on a website and allows everyone who bought the game to at least try every activity

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            • @ OP This content is not for you then. This content isn't just something you can get a few pubs with out mics and go on winning this.This event is for dedicated hard core groups. If they added match making, you would fail at the first event. Do you realize how long the raid even is dude? No pub is gonna wanna sit around 11 hours with you and figure out how to do a boss for the first time. I just tried to do that event with an organized group of friends, (That I've made friends with through the many strikes I've done.) and we got some progress, but there's just some areas where you need absolute dedication and patience, Something that pub groups just won't do. Esp for the very long it takes for this raid.

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              • Lets go at this logically shall we. First as of right now, the first people to beat the vault of glass, DIED over 1500 TIMES they had a average life time of a mere 2 minutes, can YOU handle dying EVERY 2 minutes for over TEN HOURS? do you think a pug will be able to?hint, after several years with wow LFG, i can guarantee you puggers won't be able to. second, while once the strategies come out, once they been beaten repeatably, i estimate that vault of glass will still take anywhere from 4-6 hours to complete, now this can be split up over the week between reset, how do you plan to coordinate RANDOM people who met completely randomly to be re organise if say, the raid takes longer then expected? are you gonna friends list the 5 people the game just randomly matched you with, in the hope of completing at a later time? or do you plan to just have the game re matchmake the game AT YOUR last saved progress?( so say you play with one group, get the first 3 bosses, decide to take a day off, can come back, are you saying you want the game to matchmake a WHOLE nother group, just for YOUR point of prgess at boss 3 to final boss? or should you get matchmade into a game where it starting over and just deal with downign teh first three bosses repeatably, arguably, getting jack sqaut for loot, or completion progress. 3rd, fireteam composition, so far the two groups the completed it thus far (that i know about) have been using a 3-2-1 composition of titans-hunters-warlock, my guess is they are using titan shields, and the warlock is there for cooldown reduction. are you saying the matchmaking system cna be smart enough to match a group with a correct composition.right now you see in their matchmaking for strikes, you will see groups of 3 titans, or 3 warlocks, etc etc. this is a very big problem if sucha thin happens in vault of glass, imagine trying to do it with 6 squishy sunsinger warlocks. 4th fireteam synergy, there are 3 classes, with 2 subclasses apiece, these subclass can be VERY diverse in their use of grenades, supers, general abilities ETC, how would the system matchmake a group base around subclasses, without having set locked, or defined talents? my titan's subclasses are BOTH maxxed out, i switch my talents ont eh fly to suit whatever combat situation i'm in to increase my chance of survival, while i can work with teammate i can communicate with, i can't read their minds to see what grenade they are using, and what synergy we have with eachother (for example, two titans can work together using flashbangs, and suppression grenades to have a very powerful affect on caster type enemies(like wizards) both of these grenades can have a similer affect on enemies, so what happens when it's wasted because we both tossed our grenades at teh same group of enemies, at the same time.

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              • Didn't read much but it's not hard to find people to team up with. Use the forms, you use them to complain so why not find teammates to help you out??

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              • Real funny so many people who dont have the drive to make a group think they can beat the raid with mm rofl.

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              • Edited by Maiverino K : 9/17/2014 10:28:04 AM
                Matchmaking for a 10 Hour long Raid? makes no sense, bu we need: - Matchmaking for all the other missions - a Chat/Friend/Voice-system I dont want to creep trough 1000 Forums only to get friends to play with. Levels will change, play times will change. So i have to add like 100 people in Psn now? thats crap. Time has worth for everybody, so why would bungie think, randoms wouldnt be able to beat a damn heroic-strike? just give us the chance to communicate and we will master it ;)

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              • It does need matchmaking. Would keep people playing longer.

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              • Looking to play Destiny on Xbox one. Strikes, Raids, clan achievements etc and just playing anything for fun! gt: random king007

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              • Edited by ZookeeperChris: 9/17/2014 8:55:30 AM
                Super long post, not bothering to read your boring story. But, why bother buying the game in the first place, when they have clearly stated long ago that raids would not have matchmaking? You're own fault, good riddance.

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                • Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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                • Good LUCK doing this with a pug if this was possible.

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                • Stop bashing the OP, he is damn right. The game should offer freedom, do you want to play with friends?, do it, nobody is forcing you to play with randoms. Do you want to use public matchmaking and play with pugs?, same. This decission is totally stupid and frustrating. Bungie is just bragging. GearBox said Borderlands raids are impossible solo, wrong, we beat them solo. BioWare said Mass Effect 3 coop in gold difficulty would be almost impossible, wrong again, we solo it on Platinum difficulty. Now Destiny Raids are very tough because people lacks experience and the best equipment, in months we will breeze through them, with randoms or with friends.

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                  • Op probably hasn't even seen the inside of Vault of Glass. Secondly if you paid any attention before the game came out all your points you listed were mentioned and answered so why then buy the game expecting your $60 to change anything? As much as I agree I wish there was some sort of non grouped chat I'am completely happy with the way they want people to do the raid that they've made. Especially after seeing one of the guys who cleared it go 1k kills and 231 deaths. Yea would definitely rather have friends over randoms. I did old school Nax in vanilla WoW and people never died even 1/4th that much

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